Elbe Rock crawl and Rainier Vista

pokey · May 5, 2009

dirk said:
Please expand on what you found out.

Are you talking about this?

:eeek:

Kind of. Each "hard" spot will have a hardened bypass. This will allow a driver the option of the obstacle or the option of taking a somewhat "easier" line around it. Anyone that runs these kinds of trails (even the busy) knows what happens when you get a broken rig in a tight hard spot. The entire trail backs up or people get tired of waiting and create their own bypasses. By having a primary and secondary line this will help alleviate much of this problem. The next thing to think of is rig extraction. How are you going to get a broken rig off the trail ? We hear all the time about the late night rescues at Elbe do we really need to add to this problem ? All of this by no means that the trail shouldn't be hard and challenging but there are certain things that have to be considered when building trails on public lands (with public money).

Corey Y · May 5, 2009

That is a good idea. If there were two lines: hard and easy, no gate keeper would be needed and all 4x4 vehicles could do the trail. :awesomework:

dirk · May 5, 2009

pokey said:
We hear all the time about the late night rescues at Elbe do we really need to add to this problem ? All of this by no means that the trail shouldn't be hard and challenging but there are certain things that have to be considered when building trails on public lands (with public money).

As long as folks are warned of what is ahead, then I don't see an issue...if they want to try the difficult line, that is their choice...if breakage occurs on a night run then I guess they won't be sleeping much :fawkdancesmiley:

dirk · May 5, 2009

Gibby said:
We've been told that we're not allowed to increased trail mileage and that we must stay in the trail corridor, so cutting a new trail up the hill is not a feasible option.

Crazy Daze said:
That is a good idea. If there were two lines: hard and easy, no gate keeper would be needed and all 4x4 vehicles could do the trail. :awesomework:

So which is it? Are we under on the total trail mileage? Will this allow a bypass to the rock hill? Gibby, what is your take on this? Sounds like you think that the road will make a nice bypass :haha:

Corey Y · May 5, 2009

The next focus meeting is the 14th, I guess this trail width and multiple lines will be a good topic to discuss. I would like to see every trail have 3 "lanes" easy, medium and hard :corn:

Here are pictures of the rocks for the trail:

Fordzuki · May 6, 2009

Crazy Daze said:
I would like to see every trail have 3 "lanes" easy, medium and hard

Pure genious! :awesomework: :haha:

Those are some nice rocks at the end of the gotcha.

Are there more coming this size?

Gibby1 · May 6, 2009

We need to get in touch with Heath Moyer - can anyone PM his contact info to me?

We have an opportunity to get the work done for free or next to free if Heath's friend is able to come through.

pokey · May 6, 2009

Gibby said:
We need to get in touch with Heath Moyer - can anyone PM his contact info to me?

We have an opportunity to get the work done for free or next to free if Heath's friend is able to come through.

PM sent

Gibby1 · May 6, 2009

My take is that there are a few spots on the trail where making a bypass may be feasible, but not without removing trees. If Nancy's OK with that, I have no problem with it.

However, I doubt she's going to want to do that and there aren't multiple line choices on that trail where we can take one side and make it hard.

I think that there may still be some mis-understanding about what we forsee this looking like.

The trail will require 36" tires, dual lockers and a winch - just like the busywild. It's not going to be retained as an easy trail. Along that trail where feasible, extreme obstacles would be available where a bypass can be utilized. The entire hill climb is very close to an exit and compared to the busywild, there is easy access to exits on either end.

The majority of the work is going to be done on the hill climb section. If there's material left over, or more to come, then we'll probably work next on making the top section up to the rock pit more interesting - kind of like what was done on Sunrise. We'll probably have to have short sections of the hill climb with some difficult obstacles and then scatter smaller obstacles throughout the length of the climb. I don't believe there's enough rocks to do otherwise. We don't want to take all the rocks from the pit...

pokey · May 6, 2009

Gibby said:
My take is that there are a few spots on the trail where making a bypass may be feasible, but not without removing trees. If Nancy's OK with that, I have no problem with it.

However, I doubt she's going to want to do that and there aren't multiple line choices on that trail where we can take one side and make it hard.

I think that there may still be some mis-understanding about what we forsee this looking like.

The trail will require 36" tires, dual lockers and a winch - just like the busywild. It's not going to be retained as an easy trail. Along that trail where feasible, extreme obstacles would be available where a bypass can be utilized. The entire hill climb is very close to an exit and compared to the busywild, there is easy access to exits on either end.

The majority of the work is going to be done on the hill climb section. If there's material left over, or more to come, then we'll probably work next on making the top section up to the rock pit more interesting - kind of like what was done on Sunrise. We'll probably have to have short sections of the hill climb with some difficult obstacles and then scatter smaller obstacles throughout the length of the climb. I don't believe there's enough rocks to do otherwise. We don't want to take all the rocks from the pit...

:awesomework:

Spanaway Mudder · May 6, 2009

Thats a good thing Gibby..:awesomework:..

pokey · May 6, 2009

OK guys I have cleaned house again . The thread is about the raineer vista trail and how its going to be built and such. Please keep the personal BS out of it so it can continue in a positive way. Its a disscusion not a argument :awesomework:

Thanks Jim

Fullywrecked · May 6, 2009

But I want to argue!!!!!:fawkdancesmiley:

Spanaway Mudder · May 6, 2009

Fullywrecked said:
But I want to argue!!!!!:fawkdancesmiley:

Take it to the trail!! then you will be in the right section:haha::stirpot:

Pokey!! I had to say it man!!:redneck:

Fordzuki · May 7, 2009

Gibby said:
My take is that there are a few spots on the trail where making a bypass may be feasible, but not without removing trees. If Nancy's OK with that, I have no problem with it.

However, I doubt she's going to want to do that and there aren't multiple line choices on that trail where we can take one side and make it hard.

I think that there may still be some mis-understanding about what we forsee this looking like.

The trail will require 36" tires, dual lockers and a winch - just like the busywild. It's not going to be retained as an easy trail. Along that trail where feasible, extreme obstacles would be available where a bypass can be utilized. The entire hill climb is very close to an exit and compared to the busywild, there is easy access to exits on either end.

The majority of the work is going to be done on the hill climb section. If there's material left over, or more to come, then we'll probably work next on making the top section up to the rock pit more interesting - kind of like what was done on Sunrise. We'll probably have to have short sections of the hill climb with some difficult obstacles and then scatter smaller obstacles throughout the length of the climb. I don't believe there's enough rocks to do otherwise. We don't want to take all the rocks from the pit...

Sounds like a very good plan. I can see where the trees would limit the amount of space for a bypass in the lower section of the hill.
The only reason I mentioned the "easy route" is because there will always be people making illegal bypasses if there isn't a legal one to use. The sunrise is a good example of this, at the rock section, there were three bypasses off to the right that we blocked off at the workparty. The bypasses hadn't been there long, but were just as tore up as the trail.
Just something to think about. I'm going to be happy to run the trail when it's done, regardless of how it turns out. And like I said before, I'll be glad to help out when the time comes too. :awesomework:

Gibby1 · May 19, 2009

So, Dan Moss and I finally stopped playing phone tag and we're going to head up to Elbe early next week to look at the trail and the materials. Dan is going to be donating time and equipment to help in building up the trail.

pokey · May 19, 2009

Gibby said:
So, Dan Moss and I finally stopped playing phone tag and we're going to head up to Elbe early next week to look at the trail and the materials. Dan is going to be donating time and equipment to help in building up the trail.

:cheer::awesomework:

Gibby1 · May 28, 2009

So, we get up there tonight and discovered that the majority of the second load of boulders was dumped at end of the 9 road instead of a the bottom of the Rainier Vista, so that's going to mean an entire day of just hauling rocks from one pile to another.

The boulders look perfect for the project however. The biggest ones are most likely going to stay in the pit and the smaller and mid size ones will get moved on to the trail.

In the next week or so we should be staging most of the rocks down at the bottom of the Rainier Vista.

We need someone with a 5 yrd dump truck with a metal box that could haul from the start of Rainier Vista up to the bottom of the hill climb. That would save a TON of time hauling a few rocks at a time back and forth. Anyone have access to such truck that we could borrow?

If my Case 1150B moves, then we just have to get it out there and back. We can use that to move rocks up and down the hill. We just got the engine running today and having tested the drivetrain yet.