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Why deer flats road should open

It is posted at the lower pit, Middle road and at the entrance to deer flats road

PLEASE .....................

And if you actually read one of the signs it states the local ordinance. The ordinance is the buffer zone from Reiter road......When I asked how far the buffer zone was David couldn't tell me but said use the power lines as a general reference. Shooting on the north side of the power lines is OK. And rule number one of forest watch is don't quote laws therefore I didn't look up the ordinance details just go by the powerline reference....Now you know.:awesomework:
 
We talked about shooting on DNR lands at the last Elbe meeting. According to Nancy it is permitted but you must have a earthen hillside as your backdrop. Shooting at a stump in a clearcut or in the woods is not allowed. Shooting across a road or trail is not allowed. Not cleaning up after yourself is not allowed.

YES shooting on DNR land is allowed unless posted
 
We talked about shooting on DNR lands at the last Elbe meeting. According to Nancy it is permitted but you must have a earthen hillside as your backdrop. Shooting at a stump in a clearcut or in the woods is not allowed. Shooting across a road or trail is not allowed. Not cleaning up after yourself is not allowed.

Exactly! Hunting is allowed during season (with a gun) so therefore shooting must be alowed.
 
Guess my word means nothing so I will get a pic of the sign tomorrow

Charlie you're not understanding here. I know of the signs. Beleive it or not I've been to Reiter once or twice.....The signs are posted up the Reiter road coridoor because that's where shooting isn't alowed.....Beleive it or not us forest watch people have discussed these things so we are informed so we can pass the word onto the rest of you......If you don't want to shoot there it's up to you you're not breaking any rules but you shouldn't be telling anyone they can't shoot if they're following the rules.:cool:
 
Charlie you're not understanding here. I know of the signs. Beleive it or not I've been to Reiter once or twice.....The signs are posted up the Reiter road coridoor because that's where shooting isn't alowed.....Beleive it or not us forest watch people have discussed these things so we are informed so we can pass the word onto the rest of you......If you don't want to shoot there it's up to you you're not breaking any rules but you shouldn't be telling anyone they can't shoot if they're following the rules.:cool:

So you stat your self that between Reiter road and the powerlines is a no shooting zone
So if someone is shooting 50' off of Reiter road you should just ignore them
Even if you know there are people in the area hiking
Or can you pull up talk to them advise them of people in the area and see if they make the right decisionto move to a safer area :awesomework:

Since you can't drive past the power lines do you think I was talking about way up on the hill, or right along the road

stupid is that stupid does
 
So you stat your self that between Reiter road and the powerlines is a no shooting zone
So if someone is shooting 50' off of Reiter road you should just ignore them
Even if you know there are people in the area hiking
Or can you pull up talk to them advise them of people in the area and see if they make the right decisionto move to a safer area :awesomework:

Since you can't drive past the power lines do you think I was talking about way up on the hill, or right along the road

stupid is that stupid does

I think I was very clear in what I wrote. I have no idea where you were as you didn't say.
:cheer:
 
I think I was very clear in what I wrote. I have no idea where you were as you didn't say.
:cheer:

See making a decision without all of the facts

Ya jump to conclusions

That is the flippin problem, uneducated decision making is just stupid
:awesomework:

Slowing down and asking questians before you spout off would be the proper way to handle things
 
This is the wac on target shooting, and as you can see in 1a, the dnr has power to enforce the land they manage further. (ie. not allow target shooting in certain areas.)

Imho, target shooting is the least of your worries if that road opens.

332-52-145
Firearms and target shooting.
(1) What is recreational target shooting? Recreational target shooting is the use of a firearm or bow and arrow on targets and the sighting in of rifles or other firearms on department-managed lands. The department regulates and enforces target shooting on department-managed lands.

(a) The department may restrict target shooting for the reasons set forth in WAC 332-52-100.

(b) Persons shall not target shoot carelessly, recklessly, or without regard for the safety of any person, or in a manner that endangers, or is likely to endanger, any person, pet, livestock, wildlife or property.

(c) Persons shall not discharge tracer or incendiary ammunition or projectile devices on department-managed lands. For purposes of this subsection, "incendiary" means causing or designed to cause fires, such as certain substances or bombs. "Tracer ammunition" means a bullet, projectile, or shell that traces its own course in the air with a trail of smoke, chemical incandescence, or fire, so as to facilitate adjustment of the aim.

(2) Does recreational target shooting include hunting? No. This section does not apply to hunting activities, which are subject to the rules and regulations administered by the Washington state department of fish and wildlife.

(3) Where is target shooting permitted?

(a) Persons may target shoot in:

(i) Developed recreation facilities specifically designed for target shooting; or

(ii) Areas with an unobstructed, earthen backstop capable of stopping all projectiles and debris in a safe manner.

Persons shall not target shoot in any other location.

(b) Persons shall not shoot within, from, along, across, or down roads or trails.

(c) Persons shall not shoot on, at, across, along, down, from, or within five hundred feet, of:

(i) Recreational facilities that are not specifically designed for target shooting;

(ii) Residences;

(iii) Businesses;

(iv) Structures;

(v) Other areas as restricted;

(vi) Areas designated or posted as no shooting.

(4) What may be used as a target?

(a) Items that are commercially manufactured for the specific purpose of target shooting or similar targets privately manufactured by the person(s) engaging in target shooting that are consistent with this section.

(b) Unauthorized targets include but are not limited to:

(i) Natural features, except earthen berms or banks used as backstops for target shooting;

(ii) Vegetation;

(iii) Structures;

(iv) Gates;

(v) Vehicles;

(vi) Signs;

(vii) Other department improvements;

(viii) Appliances;

(ix) Furniture;

(x) Glass;

(xi) Privately owned or occupied structures;

(xii) Pets, service animals or livestock;

(xiii) Wildlife;

(xiv) Explosive and incendiary items;

(xv) Garbage of any kind.

Persons shall not target shoot at unauthorized targets.

(5) When is target shooting permitted? Unless otherwise posted, persons shall not target shoot one-half hour after sunset to one-half hour before sunrise.

(6) Is possession of a loaded firearm in or on a motor vehicle permitted on department-managed lands? Persons shall not possess a loaded firearm in or on a motor vehicle, except as provided by state law.

(7) Who is responsible for disposing of spent items resulting from target shooting? Persons who target shoot shall dispose of spent items and remove all shell casings, targets, ammunition packaging, or target fragments resulting from their activity, with the exception of biodegradable clay targets. Failure to remove any such debris is prohibited.

(8) Any violation of this section is a misdemeanor except a violation of subsection (7) of this section is an infraction under chapter 7.84 RCW.



[Statutory Authority: Chapter 43.30 RCW and RCW 43.12.065. 09-05-034,
 
Charlie you're not understanding here. I know of the signs. Beleive it or not I've been to Reiter once or twice.....The signs are posted up the Reiter road coridoor because that's where shooting isn't alowed.....Beleive it or not us forest watch people have discussed these things so we are informed so we can pass the word onto the rest of you......If you don't want to shoot there it's up to you you're not breaking any rules but you shouldn't be telling anyone they can't shoot if they're following the rules.:cool:

I recall this conversation some time ago and as I recall rick had some good info regarding it--and in fact I was wrong in one of my facts.
 
OMFG

The department may restrict target shooting for the reasons set forth in WAC 332-52-100.

WAC 332-52-100 Agency filings affecting this section

Managing recreation and public use.
(1) Can DNR limit recreational activities and public use on department-managed land?

(a) The department may limit any recreation activity or public use on department-managed lands to:

(i) Protect public safety, natural resources, or other property.

(ii) Execute its management and administrative obligations if any recreation activities or public use unreasonably interferes with the department's ability to carry out those obligations.

(b) All persons shall comply with any department-posted restrictions that limit recreational activities.

(2) Any violation of this section is an infraction under chapter 7.84 RCW.

(c) Persons shall not shoot on, at, across, along, down, from, or within five hundred feet, of:

(i) Recreational facilities that are not specifically designed for target shooting;
(vi) Areas designated or posted as no shooting.



(4) What may be used as a target?

(a) Items that are commercially manufactured for the specific purpose of target shooting or similar targets privately manufactured by the person(s) engaging in target shooting that are consistent with this section.

(b) Unauthorized targets include but are not limited to:

(i) Natural features, except earthen berms or banks used as backstops for target shooting;

(ii) Vegetation;

(iii) Structures;

(iv) Gates;

(v) Vehicles;

(vi) Signs;

(vii) Other department improvements;

(viii) Appliances;

(ix) Furniture;

(x) Glass;

(xi) Privately owned or occupied structures;

(xii) Pets, service animals or livestock;

(xiii) Wildlife;

(xiv) Explosive and incendiary items;

(xv) Garbage of any kind.


Maybe I know what I am talking about
I do believe people have the right to shoot and carry guns. I also believe there is a place for them to be shot
 
I recall this conversation some time ago and as I recall rick had some good info regarding it--and in fact I was wrong in one of my facts.


I understand Rick know some crap, But he also needs not to jump to conclutions
the post before this one I have high lighted the facts

Can we move on now since the law is posted :cheer:

It is all how things are handled. I was up at Reiter this spring pined behind a tree while people were shooting for just about an hour. they didn't know I was there. When I finally got to them they were nice people and all

BUT that sucked
 
See making a decision without all of the facts

Ya jump to conclusions

That is the flippin problem, uneducated decision making is just stupid
:awesomework:

Slowing down and asking questians before you spout off would be the proper way to handle things

I didn't make any decisions or jump to any conclusions. I merely infomed you of the facts and the facts I wrote are 100% accurate. That's what forest watch does and that's what I did. You don't seem to understand that you're the one who is uneducated on this.... Either that or you just can't read.:rolleyes:
 
I didn't make any decisions or jump to any conclusions. I merely infomed you of the facts and the facts I wrote are 100% accurate. That's what forest watch does and that's what I did. You don't seem to understand that you're the one who is uneducated on this.... Either that or you just can't read.:rolleyes:

Very nice skirting of the original conversation
I respect you Rick and the law has been posted here on the forum so now it is black and white

read, review and do as you wish and I will do as I wish. That is the wonderful thing about America, we can do that
 
Imho, target shooting is the least of your worries if that road opens.

NO ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IMO if we don't get more people in the area it will be the end of legal wheelin

the only way to get more people in the area is open the road
yes it is a catch 22 but I am willing to take that chance over loosing it the way it is going to go if it keeps going the way it is going now
 
Very nice skirting of the original conversation
I respect you Rick and the law has been posted here on the forum so now it is black and white

read, review and do as you wish and I will do as I wish. That is the wonderful thing about America, we can do that

Have a nice day Charlie.:hi:
 

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