With my smarty jr you can turn mine off as well, but read my post higher up about my sterling, and if it starts leaking you'll want to dealete it than. Unless your planning to reuse it sometime. If you trade trucks very often leave it on because t will trade easier. I saved all my egr and exhaust as well in case I trade with the dealer later on. The egr dosnt effect the running your truck as much as the dpf anyway
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HVDPerformance
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H&S has the Street tuner that will be out Feb 1. To get the dpf and egr supported tunes now from them you have to give your vin to them 5 photo's the license number of the org. that you sled pull and drag race with. If you get caught with a registered vehicle now with the dpf delete files from H&S it can be a $37,000 fine to the end user. Im a dealer for them Hidden Valley Diesel LLC Right now things are getting slim with getting the H&S tuner's that support dpf delete. EFI Live can do the 07.5 to 09 cummins and duramax diesel. But EFI Live has new updates for there software to take the options away. So that being said if you have the older version of EFI build number 211 keep it if you dont want to loose it. This isnt something that's going to be blowed over by the tuner market and PPE, SCT and Smarty has discontinued there software.
That being said with the dpf and egr deleted you will see mileage increase pending driving habbits. Your engine will run cleaner and cooler. I have seen the 6.7 cummins engine in our shop where couldnt see the valve springs from all the soot build up. The egr vavle had stuck open. Some of the local dealer in our area dont mind the dpf deletes in still take in on trades and warranty them.
That being said with the dpf and egr deleted you will see mileage increase pending driving habbits. Your engine will run cleaner and cooler. I have seen the 6.7 cummins engine in our shop where couldnt see the valve springs from all the soot build up. The egr vavle had stuck open. Some of the local dealer in our area dont mind the dpf deletes in still take in on trades and warranty them.
HVDPerformance
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AS for now that the way its headed. If you had a H&S mini max or xrt with the dpf delete file it turn's off the egr. But $149 gets you the egr delete kit. The mini max are going for $1099 do to the epa stuff. We just sold our last one today. Some shop's are marked them up more then that. We are looking to try in find more of the old version before H&S new version hit Feb 1,
wizzo
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is someone has a mini maxx in stock it shouldn't be the new "street" version. just ask and make sure. for the 6.7 cummins you can still get the tunes for the smarty to remove dpf and egr. or if you want a h&s and are planning on doing something, NOW IS THE TIME. there are still H&S tuners out there but pickin's is slim and prices are $$$$
someone will fill H&S's shoe's but it may take a few months. H&S built themselves on the dpf delete products and now is turning away from it. they will probably last a while with their street tuners b/c of brand recognition but when you're sell'n a re-branded bullydog tuner how long will that keep you going? hopefully they have more plans in the works
someone will fill H&S's shoe's but it may take a few months. H&S built themselves on the dpf delete products and now is turning away from it. they will probably last a while with their street tuners b/c of brand recognition but when you're sell'n a re-branded bullydog tuner how long will that keep you going? hopefully they have more plans in the works
HVDPerformance
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Smarty has done removed the ME tune off the download site. If you have it saved to your lap top that bout the only way can get it. From understanding the new smarty wont accept the ME file thats sent to the USA & that the same for EFI Live units that sent here wont have the options for egr and dpf delete. I just purchased from Beans Diesel Performance there last H&S Mini Max part # SKU:HS-109003 is a thing of the past. Ebay has some mini max on there but prices are out of control. I have seven vendors and all of them was sold out that i get them from. So i had to start calling around today to find another one. Beans had 4 at dinner time today in sold all four we purchased the last one. I would watch buying a used one unless its someone you know.
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Check out Rolling Smoke Diesel, They have some last I knew and should till the 21 Jan.
http://www.rollinsmokediesel.com/default.cfm
http://www.rollinsmokediesel.com/default.cfm
Bigred350
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EFI live is the way to go. It can be custom tuned to how ever you want it. Up to 5 tunes swap on the fly. Check it out here. http://atptrucks.com/
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Snyder diesel performance can still get the race H&S tuners. They are placing an order Monday at lunch if anyone is wanting one.
http://spediesel.com/index.php
http://spediesel.com/index.php
crawlin85cj
Barco Motorsports
Re: Delete kits for diesels
What's the general opinion on consumer enforcement via DOT or other local agency? Being shut down on a trip or fined doesn't sound appealing and it's not like this is a big secret or hard to identify with a mirror on a stick.
What's the general opinion on consumer enforcement via DOT or other local agency? Being shut down on a trip or fined doesn't sound appealing and it's not like this is a big secret or hard to identify with a mirror on a stick.
78-79FordMan
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Re: Re: Delete kits for diesels
Local dot here will tax that ass. Hes a real **** he had a one ton pulled over for 3 hours just a litter bit ago. Hell he may have shut him down. Its not worth being fined and being shut down.
If one pulls ya over.
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Local dot here will tax that ass. Hes a real **** he had a one ton pulled over for 3 hours just a litter bit ago. Hell he may have shut him down. Its not worth being fined and being shut down.
If one pulls ya over.
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HVDPerformance
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here's some food for thought about the EPA and the DPF & EGR delete software.
http://www.epa.gov/enforcement/air/cases/edgeproducts.html
You are here: EPA Home Enforcement Air Enforcement Cases Edge Products LLC SettlementEdge Products LLC Settlement
(Washington, DC - January 17, 2013) - In a settlement with the United States on behalf of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, automotive electronics manufacturer Edge Products LLC (Edge) has agreed to pay a $500,000 civil penalty for manufacturing and selling electronic devices that allowed owners of model year 2007 and later diesel pickup trucks to remove emission controls from their vehicles. Diesel trucks that are not equipped with emission controls known as "diesel particulate filters" emit excess particulate matter (PM). When running, trucks without these types of controls leave behind a trail of dark, black smoke. PM is associated with a number of health problems, including respiratory and cardiovascular disease, chronic bronchitis, decreased lung function, and an increased risk of lung cancer.
Settlement Resources
•Press Release
•Consent Decree (PDF) ( 50 pp, 1MB)
On this page:
•Overview of Company
•Violations
•Injunctive Relief
•Pollutant Impacts
•Civil Penalty
•Comment
•Contact
Overview of Company
Edge Products, LLC (Edge) is an automotive electronics manufacturer based in Ogden, Utah. The company was founded in 1999. The electronic devices at issue in this case were sold to authorized distributors and directly to individuals throughout the United States.
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Violations
Federal law prohibits any vehicle or engine from being sold in the United States unless it is covered by a valid, EPA-issued certificate of conformity indicating that the vehicle or engine meets applicable federal emission standards. The law further prohibits anyone from manufacturing or selling any part that defeats or bypasses the emission controls that are used to meet the standards. EPA sets different emission standards for different types of vehicles and engines.
Since 2007, heavy duty diesel trucks must meet stringent emission standards for particulate matter (PM) and other pollutants under EPA's regulations at 40 CFR Part 86. In order to meet these standards, heavy duty diesel trucks generally must be equipped with an emission control device known as a diesel particulate filter (DPF), which collects and burns soot from the engine exhaust. To ensure that the DPF functions properly, it is continuously monitored by the truck's computer. If the truck's computer detects a problem with the DPF, or if it has been tampered with or removed, the vehicle's "check engine" light is illuminated and the vehicle may not operate properly.
Between January 2009 and April 2011, Edge manufactured and sold a variety of electronic devices intended for use with model year 2007 and later GM, Ford, and Dodge diesel pickup trucks, which allowed users to reprogram a truck's computer so that the check engine light would not illuminate and the vehicle would continue to run even after the DPF had been completely removed. In total, Edge sold more than 9,000 of these products nationwide under the Edge Racing brand name. In doing so, Edge violated the provisions of Title II of the Clean Air Act (CAA), which prohibit the manufacture and sale of parts or components that defeat or bypass an emission control device that is installed on a motor vehicle.
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Pollutant Impacts
PM, especially fine particles, consists of microscopic solids or liquid droplets that are so small that they can get deep into the lungs and cause serious health problems. PM is linked to a variety of problems, including increased respiratory symptoms such as irritation of the airways, coughing, or difficulty breathing, decreased lung function, aggravated asthma, and premature death in people with heart or lung disease.
EPA estimates that the illegal devices sold by Edge will result in 158 tons of excess PM emissions. This is equivalent to the emissions from 422 new long-haul semi trucks operating for a period of 29 years.
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Injunctive Relief
The settlement requires Edge to do the following:
•Offer to buy back the illegal devices from anyone who possesses one. In order to sell a device back to Edge, the truck from which the device came must be returned to its original factory programming; and
•Spend at least $157,600 to fund an emission mitigation project to offset the excess PM emissions resulting from the use of its devices. The funds provided by Edge will be offered as rebates to individuals who own old wood-burning stoves and who wish to replace them with cleaner burning appliances such as new pellet stoves or EPA-certified wood stoves in selected geographic areas with severe PM pollution. The rebate program will be implemented by an independent third party selected solely by Edge. Further details about the rebate program, including eligibility requirements, will be available after the third party has been selected.
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Civil Penalty
Edge will pay a penalty of $500,000. This amount was reduced substantially in light of Edge's current financial condition.
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Comment Period
The proposed settlement, lodged in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, is subject to a 30-day public comment period and final court approval. Information on submitting comments is available at the Department of Justice website.
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For more information, contact:
Nahal Mogharabi
Public Affairs Specialist
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
600 Wilshire Blvd., Suite 1460
Los Angeles, CA 90017
D: (213) 244-1815
C: (213) 514-4361
[email protected]
Doug McDaniel
Air Enforcement Office
U. S. Environmental Protection Agency
75 Hawthorne St. (AIR-5)
San Francisco, CA 94105
(415) 947-4106
[email protected]
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http://www.epa.gov/enforcement/air/cases/edgeproducts.html
You are here: EPA Home Enforcement Air Enforcement Cases Edge Products LLC SettlementEdge Products LLC Settlement
(Washington, DC - January 17, 2013) - In a settlement with the United States on behalf of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, automotive electronics manufacturer Edge Products LLC (Edge) has agreed to pay a $500,000 civil penalty for manufacturing and selling electronic devices that allowed owners of model year 2007 and later diesel pickup trucks to remove emission controls from their vehicles. Diesel trucks that are not equipped with emission controls known as "diesel particulate filters" emit excess particulate matter (PM). When running, trucks without these types of controls leave behind a trail of dark, black smoke. PM is associated with a number of health problems, including respiratory and cardiovascular disease, chronic bronchitis, decreased lung function, and an increased risk of lung cancer.
Settlement Resources
•Press Release
•Consent Decree (PDF) ( 50 pp, 1MB)
On this page:
•Overview of Company
•Violations
•Injunctive Relief
•Pollutant Impacts
•Civil Penalty
•Comment
•Contact
Overview of Company
Edge Products, LLC (Edge) is an automotive electronics manufacturer based in Ogden, Utah. The company was founded in 1999. The electronic devices at issue in this case were sold to authorized distributors and directly to individuals throughout the United States.
Top of Page
Violations
Federal law prohibits any vehicle or engine from being sold in the United States unless it is covered by a valid, EPA-issued certificate of conformity indicating that the vehicle or engine meets applicable federal emission standards. The law further prohibits anyone from manufacturing or selling any part that defeats or bypasses the emission controls that are used to meet the standards. EPA sets different emission standards for different types of vehicles and engines.
Since 2007, heavy duty diesel trucks must meet stringent emission standards for particulate matter (PM) and other pollutants under EPA's regulations at 40 CFR Part 86. In order to meet these standards, heavy duty diesel trucks generally must be equipped with an emission control device known as a diesel particulate filter (DPF), which collects and burns soot from the engine exhaust. To ensure that the DPF functions properly, it is continuously monitored by the truck's computer. If the truck's computer detects a problem with the DPF, or if it has been tampered with or removed, the vehicle's "check engine" light is illuminated and the vehicle may not operate properly.
Between January 2009 and April 2011, Edge manufactured and sold a variety of electronic devices intended for use with model year 2007 and later GM, Ford, and Dodge diesel pickup trucks, which allowed users to reprogram a truck's computer so that the check engine light would not illuminate and the vehicle would continue to run even after the DPF had been completely removed. In total, Edge sold more than 9,000 of these products nationwide under the Edge Racing brand name. In doing so, Edge violated the provisions of Title II of the Clean Air Act (CAA), which prohibit the manufacture and sale of parts or components that defeat or bypass an emission control device that is installed on a motor vehicle.
Top of Page
Pollutant Impacts
PM, especially fine particles, consists of microscopic solids or liquid droplets that are so small that they can get deep into the lungs and cause serious health problems. PM is linked to a variety of problems, including increased respiratory symptoms such as irritation of the airways, coughing, or difficulty breathing, decreased lung function, aggravated asthma, and premature death in people with heart or lung disease.
EPA estimates that the illegal devices sold by Edge will result in 158 tons of excess PM emissions. This is equivalent to the emissions from 422 new long-haul semi trucks operating for a period of 29 years.
Top of Page
Injunctive Relief
The settlement requires Edge to do the following:
•Offer to buy back the illegal devices from anyone who possesses one. In order to sell a device back to Edge, the truck from which the device came must be returned to its original factory programming; and
•Spend at least $157,600 to fund an emission mitigation project to offset the excess PM emissions resulting from the use of its devices. The funds provided by Edge will be offered as rebates to individuals who own old wood-burning stoves and who wish to replace them with cleaner burning appliances such as new pellet stoves or EPA-certified wood stoves in selected geographic areas with severe PM pollution. The rebate program will be implemented by an independent third party selected solely by Edge. Further details about the rebate program, including eligibility requirements, will be available after the third party has been selected.
Top of Page
Civil Penalty
Edge will pay a penalty of $500,000. This amount was reduced substantially in light of Edge's current financial condition.
Top of Page
Comment Period
The proposed settlement, lodged in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, is subject to a 30-day public comment period and final court approval. Information on submitting comments is available at the Department of Justice website.
Top of Page
For more information, contact:
Nahal Mogharabi
Public Affairs Specialist
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
600 Wilshire Blvd., Suite 1460
Los Angeles, CA 90017
D: (213) 244-1815
C: (213) 514-4361
[email protected]
Doug McDaniel
Air Enforcement Office
U. S. Environmental Protection Agency
75 Hawthorne St. (AIR-5)
San Francisco, CA 94105
(415) 947-4106
[email protected]
Top of Page
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crawlin85cj
Barco Motorsports
Re: Delete kits for diesels
I still have the Spartan from my F450.
Cole said:
I still have the Spartan from my F450.
HVDPerformance
Active Member
what do you want for spartan? May have a customer that would like to have it.
