well i sent back the seats that i originally bought for allies buggy... i was up in the air about the size and you guys helped me see that i should probably look at something bigger... i called up PRP and they hooked me up w/ the preteens, gave me "racer" pricing, ~$50 off each, and they showed up when they said they would... good company in my eyes... got the seats and the quality was awesome, the outside deminsions were about the same as the hard plastic seats, but the fit for her is nice... she should see several years of use out of them.... the biggest hurdle was i had to tear her buggy way the **** down to get to everything... skid, skins and shifter all had to come out, then i had forgotten that the ECU and fuse box, sealed in an ammo can, was attached to the back of the hard plastic seat.... what a ****ing bitch... tear all of that out so i can cut the existing brackets off of it and then builg brackets that will bolt in place, didnt want to grind off the powder coating to tack it in... anyways, everything fits snug, but fits her well... i can barely get in it, but at least i can still move it around.... here are the new pics....