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<blockquote data-quote="patooyee" data-source="post: 455727" data-attributes="member: 483"><p>All this racism / chimp-out **** has me in kind of a conundrum. I don't identify with any of the protests / murders, etc. I don't think that is right because its not really about what they say it is. They just use it as an excuse to misbehave. BUT the experiences I have had with cops, the justice system, judges, etc. makes me somewhat identify with their stated plight, be that their true motivation or not.</p><p></p><p>I have had maybe 4 or 5 experiences in my life where I have needed the cops to help me. I've never been arrested / entangled in the justice system though. In literally every case the cop has been dirty / corrupt / a liar. Now I know cops that I see day to day, they all seem like good people. I know some of their families and they are good folks too. But every time I've needed one to do his job to protect me or my family he hasn't been willing ... and I'm white.</p><p></p><p>When I was in HS I got a bad speeding ticket. I wasn't being reckless or anything, just was talking to my brother in the passenger seat coasting down a hill, lost track of my speed through a school zone. To keep my license I had to observe 7 hours of Sat. court 5 Saturdays in a row and write a 10-page report at the end. It was supposed to teach me how grand our justice system was, why America is so great. It didn't. It taught me how racism is absolutely 100% institutionalized in our courts. Case after case I saw black people get ****ed by the judge and white people get off. I watched 3 judges, 2 white and one black. Even the black one was racist against blacks, handing out uneven sentences like it was nothing. One of the worst examples was a middle age white male repeat offender who was caught carrying a duffle bag full of cocaine bricks at a Greyhound bus station. The judge gave him 6 weeks of probation, let him walk otherwise. Immediately following his case was a 17-year-old black kid that was caught with a zip lock bag of weed at school, first offense. Judge gave him 6 months in juvenile detention. These sentences were doled out by the same judge within minutes of each other. I'm not normally an activist but it took all of my self control to keep from jumping up and screaming for these people. Case after case, if you were white you automatically got the benefit of the doubt, if you were black you were going to prison.</p><p></p><p>Combine that with how impossible it is to get out of the system once you're in it. I have some close-up experience with that, too. I can't share specifics because it involves other parties whom I don't know if they would want the world to know. But suffice it to say that a prank was taken too far and someone ended up paying $15,000 in legal fees and bribery over the course of 10 years to finally clear himself of some bogus charges even after the real perp was caught and confessed and the "victim" dropped the charges. I can only imagine how bad it would be if you were black and had any REAL evidence against you!</p><p></p><p>I hear the media (and ya'll) talk about cops like they are supposed to be our friends or something. And I do know some cops that I would consider friends. But a cop's job is to gather evidence to help convict you if you are the suspect. If you enter into a suspect / arrest relationship with an officer they are 100% not your friend. They may act like it, be all nice, ask you questions that seem to be just friendly. Then when it comes time for court everything you said and did is held against you. I have a little experience with that, too.</p><p></p><p>I appreciate the risks that cops take every day. I give them the benefit of the doubt generally because of that. But given my personal experience with them, the "justice" system, and judges I do not make the mistake of believing that our system is even-handed in the least bit. I'm not a hater. My wife hates arguing with me because at a point when **** becomes negative I just cut out, leave, and go be happy somewhere without her. I refuse to let people bring me down, I want my default state to be happy. You won't find me in any protests. But if I am involved in a legal interaction with a cop you will find my lawyer present before I say a word and I will trust the lowliest maggot feeding on a piece of dog **** before I even have a kind thought about a cop or a judge. I would probably feel this way times 100 if I was black.</p><p></p><p>The thing is, knowing how difficult it is to get out of the system once you're in it, given how much power a cop has over you if you are in trouble, how they easily can and do fabricate whatever truth they want, plant whatever evidence they want, I can honestly say that I understand why a black person might feel that taking the chance of running might be a valid option. If you know you're innocent, you know you're not going to get a fair shake in court, possibly spend the rest of your life in prison for something you didn't do, or even something you did do but know you will get disproportionately punished for, why isn't running / resisting a valid choice? From what I saw in court its not as simple as, "Oh, well I'm innocent and the evidence will prove it and everything will be hunky dory." Any evidence in your favor if you are black will either be suppressed, lost, or destroyed and evidence against you will be fabricated, exaggerated, or spun. A public defender is just a judge's bitch. They bend to the judge's will, have shady deals with the judge behind closed doors behind their clients' backs. The judge will throw the book at you automatically and ask questions later and the defender will just say, "It sucks but he is within his legal rights." You are guilty until proved guilty, there is no innocence from what I have seen fi you are black. I'm sorry but its true.</p><p></p><p>I don't believe that cops are out to kill blacks. The statistics prove that. But I've seen racism in action in court and there is no force more powerful as far as I am concerned. Most white people never spend 35 hours or more in court like I was forced to. They have no idea what is going on.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="patooyee, post: 455727, member: 483"] All this racism / chimp-out **** has me in kind of a conundrum. I don't identify with any of the protests / murders, etc. I don't think that is right because its not really about what they say it is. They just use it as an excuse to misbehave. BUT the experiences I have had with cops, the justice system, judges, etc. makes me somewhat identify with their stated plight, be that their true motivation or not. I have had maybe 4 or 5 experiences in my life where I have needed the cops to help me. I've never been arrested / entangled in the justice system though. In literally every case the cop has been dirty / corrupt / a liar. Now I know cops that I see day to day, they all seem like good people. I know some of their families and they are good folks too. But every time I've needed one to do his job to protect me or my family he hasn't been willing ... and I'm white. When I was in HS I got a bad speeding ticket. I wasn't being reckless or anything, just was talking to my brother in the passenger seat coasting down a hill, lost track of my speed through a school zone. To keep my license I had to observe 7 hours of Sat. court 5 Saturdays in a row and write a 10-page report at the end. It was supposed to teach me how grand our justice system was, why America is so great. It didn't. It taught me how racism is absolutely 100% institutionalized in our courts. Case after case I saw black people get ****ed by the judge and white people get off. I watched 3 judges, 2 white and one black. Even the black one was racist against blacks, handing out uneven sentences like it was nothing. One of the worst examples was a middle age white male repeat offender who was caught carrying a duffle bag full of cocaine bricks at a Greyhound bus station. The judge gave him 6 weeks of probation, let him walk otherwise. Immediately following his case was a 17-year-old black kid that was caught with a zip lock bag of weed at school, first offense. Judge gave him 6 months in juvenile detention. These sentences were doled out by the same judge within minutes of each other. I'm not normally an activist but it took all of my self control to keep from jumping up and screaming for these people. Case after case, if you were white you automatically got the benefit of the doubt, if you were black you were going to prison. Combine that with how impossible it is to get out of the system once you're in it. I have some close-up experience with that, too. I can't share specifics because it involves other parties whom I don't know if they would want the world to know. But suffice it to say that a prank was taken too far and someone ended up paying $15,000 in legal fees and bribery over the course of 10 years to finally clear himself of some bogus charges even after the real perp was caught and confessed and the "victim" dropped the charges. I can only imagine how bad it would be if you were black and had any REAL evidence against you! I hear the media (and ya'll) talk about cops like they are supposed to be our friends or something. And I do know some cops that I would consider friends. But a cop's job is to gather evidence to help convict you if you are the suspect. If you enter into a suspect / arrest relationship with an officer they are 100% not your friend. They may act like it, be all nice, ask you questions that seem to be just friendly. Then when it comes time for court everything you said and did is held against you. I have a little experience with that, too. I appreciate the risks that cops take every day. I give them the benefit of the doubt generally because of that. But given my personal experience with them, the "justice" system, and judges I do not make the mistake of believing that our system is even-handed in the least bit. I'm not a hater. My wife hates arguing with me because at a point when **** becomes negative I just cut out, leave, and go be happy somewhere without her. I refuse to let people bring me down, I want my default state to be happy. You won't find me in any protests. But if I am involved in a legal interaction with a cop you will find my lawyer present before I say a word and I will trust the lowliest maggot feeding on a piece of dog **** before I even have a kind thought about a cop or a judge. I would probably feel this way times 100 if I was black. The thing is, knowing how difficult it is to get out of the system once you're in it, given how much power a cop has over you if you are in trouble, how they easily can and do fabricate whatever truth they want, plant whatever evidence they want, I can honestly say that I understand why a black person might feel that taking the chance of running might be a valid option. If you know you're innocent, you know you're not going to get a fair shake in court, possibly spend the rest of your life in prison for something you didn't do, or even something you did do but know you will get disproportionately punished for, why isn't running / resisting a valid choice? From what I saw in court its not as simple as, "Oh, well I'm innocent and the evidence will prove it and everything will be hunky dory." Any evidence in your favor if you are black will either be suppressed, lost, or destroyed and evidence against you will be fabricated, exaggerated, or spun. A public defender is just a judge's bitch. They bend to the judge's will, have shady deals with the judge behind closed doors behind their clients' backs. The judge will throw the book at you automatically and ask questions later and the defender will just say, "It sucks but he is within his legal rights." You are guilty until proved guilty, there is no innocence from what I have seen fi you are black. I'm sorry but its true. I don't believe that cops are out to kill blacks. The statistics prove that. But I've seen racism in action in court and there is no force more powerful as far as I am concerned. Most white people never spend 35 hours or more in court like I was forced to. They have no idea what is going on. [/QUOTE]
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