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<blockquote data-quote="mark" data-source="post: 1528022" data-attributes="member: 16354"><p>Boonie may be on to something. Its something we all know, and acknowledge at different levels.</p><p></p><p>There's is no central, ORGANIZED 4wd organization that people WANT to donate to that will do good.</p><p></p><p>Someone is going to say " there the PNW". The PNW could have been it, but they are not. They have burned to many bridges over the years and for many is a bad word or a joke in their eyes. There membership is down, the older members are retiring off and the newer crowd has no interest in the club. They also have too many irons in the fire with too much diversity. Don't get me wrong, there are good folks there that do a lot of good (and put in allot of hard work) but its a mostly volunteer organization that is getting old and stale (and bogged down with politics).</p><p></p><p>The group that is needed would be run like a Business, not a "club", have clear goals and paid staff. Be able to organize, support and most important, lobby. Something like a "Washington ORV Coalition" or something like that. One would have to figure out if it would be ALL motorized ORV (bikes, SxS, Snowmobiles etc) or focus on just 4x4's. Bigger pool to pull from if its all inclusive, but more chance of fracturing with "agendas" and "preferences" as well. It also has to be trusted and fair for all.</p><p></p><p>It would be hard, and take a while to gain the momentum it would need. It would also need some fair, even and level headed core staff that know the sport, but also know the politics, they probably also should be "young" or alteast "younger" to better relate to the younger crowd that will be the driving future. And those are hard to find. The crux of the problem lies with that fact that by its nature, the 4x4 crowd is fractured and isolationist, buggies vs non buggies, trail riding vs hardcore, weekend campers vs day runners, drivers vs trailers. On top of that most are blue-collar people, which means that wheeling is a hobby that they squeeze in among other hobbies and LIFE, and there is not always allot of time for other things. 4x4s are also probably one of the more expensive hobbies, which means if your not wheeling it, your fixing or improving it, or working your ass off to have $$ to fix or wheel it. This makes things like "clubs", "groups" or "work parties" less appealing after busting your ass all week.</p><p></p><p>Some people make it work, some people break the mold, but a vast majority probably fall in the above lines some way or another. I know I"m so busy with other stuff, life and family that wheeling has become a VERY low priority and time is non existent. However if there was and established organization (specifically work Washington Trails since this is our area) that I knew $$ donation would go to good use (and not infighting), then that would be an easy choice so I would have somewhere to go when I DID have time to do something.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mark, post: 1528022, member: 16354"] Boonie may be on to something. Its something we all know, and acknowledge at different levels. There's is no central, ORGANIZED 4wd organization that people WANT to donate to that will do good. Someone is going to say " there the PNW". The PNW could have been it, but they are not. They have burned to many bridges over the years and for many is a bad word or a joke in their eyes. There membership is down, the older members are retiring off and the newer crowd has no interest in the club. They also have too many irons in the fire with too much diversity. Don't get me wrong, there are good folks there that do a lot of good (and put in allot of hard work) but its a mostly volunteer organization that is getting old and stale (and bogged down with politics). The group that is needed would be run like a Business, not a "club", have clear goals and paid staff. Be able to organize, support and most important, lobby. Something like a "Washington ORV Coalition" or something like that. One would have to figure out if it would be ALL motorized ORV (bikes, SxS, Snowmobiles etc) or focus on just 4x4's. Bigger pool to pull from if its all inclusive, but more chance of fracturing with "agendas" and "preferences" as well. It also has to be trusted and fair for all. It would be hard, and take a while to gain the momentum it would need. It would also need some fair, even and level headed core staff that know the sport, but also know the politics, they probably also should be "young" or alteast "younger" to better relate to the younger crowd that will be the driving future. And those are hard to find. The crux of the problem lies with that fact that by its nature, the 4x4 crowd is fractured and isolationist, buggies vs non buggies, trail riding vs hardcore, weekend campers vs day runners, drivers vs trailers. On top of that most are blue-collar people, which means that wheeling is a hobby that they squeeze in among other hobbies and LIFE, and there is not always allot of time for other things. 4x4s are also probably one of the more expensive hobbies, which means if your not wheeling it, your fixing or improving it, or working your ass off to have $$ to fix or wheel it. This makes things like "clubs", "groups" or "work parties" less appealing after busting your ass all week. Some people make it work, some people break the mold, but a vast majority probably fall in the above lines some way or another. I know I"m so busy with other stuff, life and family that wheeling has become a VERY low priority and time is non existent. However if there was and established organization (specifically work Washington Trails since this is our area) that I knew $$ donation would go to good use (and not infighting), then that would be an easy choice so I would have somewhere to go when I DID have time to do something. [/QUOTE]
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