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<blockquote data-quote="nowires" data-source="post: 1560643" data-attributes="member: 18009"><p>They are planning to close over 300 miles of road on the west side of the cascades this year. Do to funding and not able to maintain the roads to the level of road that it is rated. From the best that I can figure it is about 8 million dollars to keep them open. Or declassify the road. One of the problems that they had is that the engineer that was on staff wasn't certified to do the evaluation on the roads to declassify them. That has been solved. He is now working else ware. </p><p></p><p>If you want to save the trails, then get involved. You will give up a lot for very little return. You will give up time at work, sleep and not to mention the cost of driving to meetings. Your wheeler will be parked so that you can focus on what is going on. You don't have time to play. </p><p></p><p>Pokey is right. Bitching at the local rangers and staff does nothing. They are handed a budget and have to work with in it. In there budget they have $1766 a mile to maintain level 5 and 4 roads. Level 3 is $1419. Level 2 (trails) is $633. It cost about $200 a mile to evaluate the roads every year. Now before you flip on that, the $15 hr employee cost about $100 hour. Now when it comes to roads and natural disaster. They don't have funding to " fix" the problem before it happens. BUT there is money to fix roads that are washed out. different budget column. Different funding source. Roads get fixed by the "bitch-o-meter" the more people that bitch, the better chance it will get fixed. If 100 people bitch, good chance it will not get fixed. If 5000 people bitch. It will get fixed</p><p></p><p>In the old days the FS had road crews that maintained the roads. cost were low because they were employees of the government. Now they contract everything out and have to pay prevailing wage on jobs. So rather that paying a crew to do the work of around a mil a year, they pay 10 to 15 mil just in wages to do the same job. </p><p></p><p>Bottom line is they need funding. Get them funding and the closures will stop.</p><p></p><p>OK now rant on and tell me I am full of ****.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="nowires, post: 1560643, member: 18009"] They are planning to close over 300 miles of road on the west side of the cascades this year. Do to funding and not able to maintain the roads to the level of road that it is rated. From the best that I can figure it is about 8 million dollars to keep them open. Or declassify the road. One of the problems that they had is that the engineer that was on staff wasn't certified to do the evaluation on the roads to declassify them. That has been solved. He is now working else ware. If you want to save the trails, then get involved. You will give up a lot for very little return. You will give up time at work, sleep and not to mention the cost of driving to meetings. Your wheeler will be parked so that you can focus on what is going on. You don't have time to play. Pokey is right. Bitching at the local rangers and staff does nothing. They are handed a budget and have to work with in it. In there budget they have $1766 a mile to maintain level 5 and 4 roads. Level 3 is $1419. Level 2 (trails) is $633. It cost about $200 a mile to evaluate the roads every year. Now before you flip on that, the $15 hr employee cost about $100 hour. Now when it comes to roads and natural disaster. They don't have funding to " fix" the problem before it happens. BUT there is money to fix roads that are washed out. different budget column. Different funding source. Roads get fixed by the "bitch-o-meter" the more people that bitch, the better chance it will get fixed. If 100 people bitch, good chance it will not get fixed. If 5000 people bitch. It will get fixed In the old days the FS had road crews that maintained the roads. cost were low because they were employees of the government. Now they contract everything out and have to pay prevailing wage on jobs. So rather that paying a crew to do the work of around a mil a year, they pay 10 to 15 mil just in wages to do the same job. Bottom line is they need funding. Get them funding and the closures will stop. OK now rant on and tell me I am full of ****. [/QUOTE]
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