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<blockquote data-quote="Rock_Crusher" data-source="post: 823972" data-attributes="member: 16069"><p>Amen... thats where the DNR FSR etc come into play...</p><p></p><p>now as for avoiding tire restrictions - </p><p></p><p>We may be seeing a end to OUR freedom's of just going buck wild and building offroad machines to no extent... i think the real picture is;</p><p>the old timers are in agreement w/ the higher up's... and for good reason, now before you bash me - listen... and I know I write / type alot - but again, read it... just like the signs / brochures / information on/at trail area's...</p><p></p><p>here we go...</p><p></p><p>after years of seeing trails destroyed quicker than from the past, many old timers - *sorry young at hearts - are in agreement that after a few tests & studies, it's more the bigger tires, than more the users... yes higher traffic & more & more offroad users are offroading & using the trail system's more than ever, but it's the bigger tires & improper use of them on the trails, that is destroying the trail faster than ever before.</p><p></p><p>idea's are to limit tire size's vs what i throw out - trail upkeep can only go so far, as soon as a trail is fixed... it's destroyed again... kinda like grafitti, only we can't keep painting over it... work parties are formed by guys that take time off of there job's & work parties aren't paid for... and they must be scheduled ahead of time... dada dada dada...</p><p></p><p>no one wants to see trails closed... but thats the only way to save them until a work partie can get to them to repair them.</p><p></p><p>we can't pave / cement all trails... hell, we can't afford to even pave / cement small sections in the worse case of them... but doing so... would stop EROSION and others may follow the example.</p><p></p><p>you have solid ground fixed... and then build untop of that, embedded rocks / etc that cannot be eroded. </p><p></p><p>but for now, it comes down to the ones that have witnessed 1st hand the destruction of the trails, trails that they helped build or upkeep or fought to keep open... they have the strongest say - because they have the experience in maintaining the trails & seeing / knowing & answering to those that ask;</p><p></p><p>what can we do to keep the trails open & not shut them down.</p><p></p><p>we can't just keep a area open and hope for the best, w/ NO restrictions - everything is going to continue to play out as it has been doing so far, so...</p><p>it seems tire restrictions will come into play, certain areas might be excempt from these, but generally - what area's do you know of that could sustain -</p><p></p><p>constant abuse w/o trail upkeep?</p><p></p><p>===============================</p><p></p><p>ok, hopefully some of you get it? </p><p></p><p>talk to the people that have been offroading before you were born, people that have been involved w/ the offroad scene since it started, people that know the answer's... they are the one's talking w/ the state & others to figure out how to save our trails that we have now & select new area's that could withstand constant abuse w/ less upkeeping... join a club or get involved w/ people that know whats going on in your area's... </p><p></p><p> <a href="http://www.pnw4wda.org/" target="_blank">http://www.pnw4wda.org/</a> <--- great place to start.</p><p></p><p></p><p>otherwise - your just sitting here reading & it really isn't doing much else to help, now is it?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rock_Crusher, post: 823972, member: 16069"] Amen... thats where the DNR FSR etc come into play... now as for avoiding tire restrictions - We may be seeing a end to OUR freedom's of just going buck wild and building offroad machines to no extent... i think the real picture is; the old timers are in agreement w/ the higher up's... and for good reason, now before you bash me - listen... and I know I write / type alot - but again, read it... just like the signs / brochures / information on/at trail area's... here we go... after years of seeing trails destroyed quicker than from the past, many old timers - *sorry young at hearts - are in agreement that after a few tests & studies, it's more the bigger tires, than more the users... yes higher traffic & more & more offroad users are offroading & using the trail system's more than ever, but it's the bigger tires & improper use of them on the trails, that is destroying the trail faster than ever before. idea's are to limit tire size's vs what i throw out - trail upkeep can only go so far, as soon as a trail is fixed... it's destroyed again... kinda like grafitti, only we can't keep painting over it... work parties are formed by guys that take time off of there job's & work parties aren't paid for... and they must be scheduled ahead of time... dada dada dada... no one wants to see trails closed... but thats the only way to save them until a work partie can get to them to repair them. we can't pave / cement all trails... hell, we can't afford to even pave / cement small sections in the worse case of them... but doing so... would stop EROSION and others may follow the example. you have solid ground fixed... and then build untop of that, embedded rocks / etc that cannot be eroded. but for now, it comes down to the ones that have witnessed 1st hand the destruction of the trails, trails that they helped build or upkeep or fought to keep open... they have the strongest say - because they have the experience in maintaining the trails & seeing / knowing & answering to those that ask; what can we do to keep the trails open & not shut them down. we can't just keep a area open and hope for the best, w/ NO restrictions - everything is going to continue to play out as it has been doing so far, so... it seems tire restrictions will come into play, certain areas might be excempt from these, but generally - what area's do you know of that could sustain - constant abuse w/o trail upkeep? =============================== ok, hopefully some of you get it? talk to the people that have been offroading before you were born, people that have been involved w/ the offroad scene since it started, people that know the answer's... they are the one's talking w/ the state & others to figure out how to save our trails that we have now & select new area's that could withstand constant abuse w/ less upkeeping... join a club or get involved w/ people that know whats going on in your area's... [url]http://www.pnw4wda.org/[/url] <--- great place to start. otherwise - your just sitting here reading & it really isn't doing much else to help, now is it? [/QUOTE]
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