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<blockquote data-quote="no excuses" data-source="post: 877405" data-attributes="member: 15963"><p>Originally Posted by Chris Geiger </p><p>As to FROR. Trail-Gear has not entered in to any contract regarding axles. Matt and Brian talked about such an agreement but it was never put in to action. </p><p></p><p>posted by JRT</p><p>Chris you know you are not telling the truth when you make this statement.</p><p></p><p>I have kept my mouth closed for the last 3 months about this. And I would have continued to do so had you not crossed the line and made black and white false statements.</p><p></p><p></p><p>In June of 2006, Matt and I came to an agreement, verbal only, that I would provide services to Trail Gear in addition to those as a sponsored competitor.</p><p></p><p>My responsiblities in this capacity were to help bring manufacturing clients to Trail-Gear. For example, companies like FROR may have a need to have a part mass produced (Steering Box mounts for an example). Trail Gear was in a position to have those parts manufactured overseas at a significant cost savings. I approached 4 potential customers. Dan Dubose at Blue Torch, Brian Ellinger at Diamond/FROR and Scott Ellinger at Rockstomper. The 4th involved a contact at 4WPW to distribute Trail Gear Products through the Trans-American line.</p><p></p><p>All 4 clients expressed reservations involving working with Matt. Matt gave me his 'word' that he had no intention on 'copying' any of the products in question and was extremely specific about NEVER making axle housings. Brian would not talk about design specs until after a non-disclosure/no compete document was drafted and ratified. He did talk about volumes of products. As Matt's go between with these 4 clients, he strung out the 'written' contract phase for over 3 months. All the while making numerous verbal statements to myself (on several occasions in your presence) as well as directly to Brian.</p><p></p><p>In late October, after 3 months of "I'll have the agreement drafted this week", I asked Matt if he had any intention of signing the documents due to the 4 clients and specifically Brian.</p><p></p><p>It was at that point, 2 weeks before the World Championships that Matt told me he changed his mind and that with the volume requirements indicated by Brian, there was too much money to be made in Axle Housings.</p><p></p><p>I made it clear to Matt during that conversation that I could no longer act on his behalf in these matters and that I thought his business practices were unethical.</p><p></p><p>After World's I officially told Matt that I would no longer be seeking sponsorship with Trail Gear for the upcoming season. </p><p></p><p>These are facts.</p><p></p><p></p><p>From a subjective point of view, I believe we both (Trail Gear and I) tried to make this split as professional and amicable as possible. I have repeatedly tried to stay out of these conversations, but when direct and knowing inaccurate statements are made, the truth needs to be known. You knew this, I made it very clear to both you, Matt and John Robertson. Most recently on the lake bed at Frostoberfest in October when John was bragging about how bad ass your new Axle Housing was. When I called him on it both Matt and John said they were just kidding because they knew I'd 'freak out'. </p><p></p><p>Also Subjective... I don't think that Trail Gear is 'Copying' a Diamond Housing. It's clear they have different design attributes. What's also clear is that you are willing to misrepresent the characteristics of that housing as long as you can get people talking about it now.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Earlier in this thread, someone asked how Trail Gear treats it's 'sponsored' guys. I can tell you from first hand knowledge. Matt and his crew are extremely passionate about this sport and succeeding in business. I can also tell you that when you're the 'man' it's intoxicating to be around them. But when you don't fall in line it gets very uncomfortable. </p><p></p><p>I had Marlins stickers peeled off of my rig at the first comp (back when the feud first started), I was given an ultimatum to either choose Marlin or Trail Gear before the second comp. I made the decision I thought I had to to keep the car in the series. I regret losing Marlins trust to this day.</p><p></p><p>After seperating ways at the end of the year and fulfilling my obligation to Matt completely, he insisted that I return the wheels he kicked me at the begining of the year and threatned to put me collections for an ARB locker that he bought before Cedar City.</p><p></p><p>I am sorry it had to come to this. But I can only sit back and read half truths and flat out lies for so long before I can't take it anymore.</p><p></p><p></p><p>yep if u support that type of company and attitude you should feel proud of youreself. Where ur trail mart pride stickers proudly.<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite11" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll Eyes :rolleyes:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="no excuses, post: 877405, member: 15963"] Originally Posted by Chris Geiger As to FROR. Trail-Gear has not entered in to any contract regarding axles. Matt and Brian talked about such an agreement but it was never put in to action. posted by JRT Chris you know you are not telling the truth when you make this statement. I have kept my mouth closed for the last 3 months about this. And I would have continued to do so had you not crossed the line and made black and white false statements. In June of 2006, Matt and I came to an agreement, verbal only, that I would provide services to Trail Gear in addition to those as a sponsored competitor. My responsiblities in this capacity were to help bring manufacturing clients to Trail-Gear. For example, companies like FROR may have a need to have a part mass produced (Steering Box mounts for an example). Trail Gear was in a position to have those parts manufactured overseas at a significant cost savings. I approached 4 potential customers. Dan Dubose at Blue Torch, Brian Ellinger at Diamond/FROR and Scott Ellinger at Rockstomper. The 4th involved a contact at 4WPW to distribute Trail Gear Products through the Trans-American line. All 4 clients expressed reservations involving working with Matt. Matt gave me his 'word' that he had no intention on 'copying' any of the products in question and was extremely specific about NEVER making axle housings. Brian would not talk about design specs until after a non-disclosure/no compete document was drafted and ratified. He did talk about volumes of products. As Matt's go between with these 4 clients, he strung out the 'written' contract phase for over 3 months. All the while making numerous verbal statements to myself (on several occasions in your presence) as well as directly to Brian. In late October, after 3 months of "I'll have the agreement drafted this week", I asked Matt if he had any intention of signing the documents due to the 4 clients and specifically Brian. It was at that point, 2 weeks before the World Championships that Matt told me he changed his mind and that with the volume requirements indicated by Brian, there was too much money to be made in Axle Housings. I made it clear to Matt during that conversation that I could no longer act on his behalf in these matters and that I thought his business practices were unethical. After World's I officially told Matt that I would no longer be seeking sponsorship with Trail Gear for the upcoming season. These are facts. From a subjective point of view, I believe we both (Trail Gear and I) tried to make this split as professional and amicable as possible. I have repeatedly tried to stay out of these conversations, but when direct and knowing inaccurate statements are made, the truth needs to be known. You knew this, I made it very clear to both you, Matt and John Robertson. Most recently on the lake bed at Frostoberfest in October when John was bragging about how bad ass your new Axle Housing was. When I called him on it both Matt and John said they were just kidding because they knew I'd 'freak out'. Also Subjective... I don't think that Trail Gear is 'Copying' a Diamond Housing. It's clear they have different design attributes. What's also clear is that you are willing to misrepresent the characteristics of that housing as long as you can get people talking about it now. Earlier in this thread, someone asked how Trail Gear treats it's 'sponsored' guys. I can tell you from first hand knowledge. Matt and his crew are extremely passionate about this sport and succeeding in business. I can also tell you that when you're the 'man' it's intoxicating to be around them. But when you don't fall in line it gets very uncomfortable. I had Marlins stickers peeled off of my rig at the first comp (back when the feud first started), I was given an ultimatum to either choose Marlin or Trail Gear before the second comp. I made the decision I thought I had to to keep the car in the series. I regret losing Marlins trust to this day. After seperating ways at the end of the year and fulfilling my obligation to Matt completely, he insisted that I return the wheels he kicked me at the begining of the year and threatned to put me collections for an ARB locker that he bought before Cedar City. I am sorry it had to come to this. But I can only sit back and read half truths and flat out lies for so long before I can't take it anymore. yep if u support that type of company and attitude you should feel proud of youreself. Where ur trail mart pride stickers proudly.:rolleyes: [/QUOTE]
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