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Binder said:
Keep reading up on commas as there's lots more but like I said it's not an English thing it's how laws are written. If they break the rules of English I doubt there's a law against that.:haha:
Whatever. Everyone can believe what they want and pay the piper if need be. Lots of people have been arested for this and because "some guy on the net said it was OK" isn't going to be the strongest defence.:cheer:
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There is always the possibility of being arrested over this. There are a lot of people, LEOs included, that don't understand the law as it is written. But you will notice... you say lots of people have been arrested... has anyone ever been convicted? Has anyone even gone to trial over this? I have looked for evidence of either and have found none.
 
Poohbair said:
I got a D in algebra in highschool...

I got a D in philosophy in college....

I pack a loaded gun with me

I USUALLY keep it on my person just because I have always been unclear if I have to in a vehicle or not... if it is not on my person, it is where it can BE on my person if I see lights in the mirror...

That said, I would like to know if I have to or not, because sometimes it is just uncomfortable...
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As far as you can trust any legal advice from the internet...

In my opinion, Richard Heath's letter from 1987 is the last nail in the coffin for this argument. It says that in WA, you can have loaded pistol in your vehicle, not on your person, as long as you have a CPL and are either in the car with in, or it is hidden from view and locked in the car.
 
ZedMikey said:
There is always the possibility of being arrested over this. There are a lot of people, LEOs included, that don't understand the law as it is written. But you will notice... you say lots of people have been arrested... has anyone ever been convicted? Has anyone even gone to trial over this? I have looked for evidence of either and have found none.
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I dont think you get it.

We all know you and binder dont agree on this topic.

You say taking a chance is legal.

He says its not legal and not worth the chance.


The point here is THIS.......................................



.......You might be right. You might give a judge that shpeeel and get it dissmissed, but you will still be missing that nice $500+ pistol.

Wa state is not all about to give guns back easily. It doesnt matter who is right and how you prove it, if they took your gun and charged you with something because of it good luck ever seeing that piece again.


I will use caution in my vehicle and keep it on me like Binder suggests. I like my guns and dont intend to EVER donate them to the pigs even if "IM RIGHT".

Get it now? :corn:
 
CHOP SHOP said:
I dont think you get it.

We all know you and binder dont agree on this topic.

You say taking a chance is legal.

He says its not legal and not worth the chance.


The point here is THIS.......................................



.......You might be right. You might give a judge that shpeeel and get it dissmissed, but you will still be missing that nice $500+ pistol.

Wa state is not all about to give guns back easily. It doesnt matter who is right and how you prove it, if they took your gun and charged you with something because of it good luck ever seeing that piece again.


I will use caution in my vehicle and keep it on me like Binder suggests. I like my guns and dont intend to EVER donate them to the pigs even if "IM RIGHT".

Get it now? :corn:
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You're incorrectly assuming I don't understand that argument. It makes perfect sense to me. When I'm carrying in my vehicle, my pistol is on me. And though the main reasons have nothing to do with the law, the inconsistency in understanding this particular law is part of the reasoning behind it.

As I mentioned in my post to Binder, if you can find any documentation about anybody having even gone to trial over this, I would like to see it. I think you will have a hard time finding a lawyer that interprets this law in any fashion other than Richard Heath did. I'm sure they are out there... but I'm confident the vast majority of them will understand the wording of the law as Heath did. It really is quite clearly written.
 
ZedMikey said:
You're incorrectly assuming I don't understand that argument. It makes perfect sense to me. When I'm carrying in my vehicle, my pistol is on me. And though the main reasons have nothing to do with the law, the inconsistency in understanding this particular law is part of the reasoning behind it.

As I mentioned in my post to Binder, if you can find any documentation about anybody having even gone to trial over this, I would like to see it. I think you will have a hard time finding a lawyer that interprets this law in any fashion other than Richard Heath did. I'm sure they are out there... but I'm confident the vast majority of them will understand the wording of the law as Heath did. It really is quite clearly written.
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You still never answered the taco wagon question?

What about the knives in the taco wagon that are smaller than 6 inches? Arent those a CW too?

Do they have a combo food handlers/cpl card I can get?

What about packing a loaded burrito? If the burrito is under 6 inches or over? This shiits cornfusaling. :scratchhead:
 
CHOP SHOP said:
You still never answered the taco wagon question?

What about the knives in the taco wagon that are smaller than 6 inches? Arent those a CW too?

Do they have a combo food handlers/cpl card I can get?

What about packing a loaded burrito? If the burrito is under 6 inches or over? This shiits cornfusaling. :scratchhead:
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Just keep that 6" burrito in your pants, so long as you're not brandishing it outside your pants, there should be no concern for alarm. :D
 
I'll say it again, I have had numerous officers tell me that I can have it in my vehicle loaded, including in the 11hr firearms class I took last year, so unless this is a recent change in the law, within the last 6 months, then I'm not buying it.
 
CHOP SHOP said:
You still never answered the taco wagon question? IANAL

What about the knives in the taco wagon that are smaller than 6 inches? Arent those a CW too? WA state law does not restrict the open or concealed carry of any length of fixed or folding blade as long as it isn't a "spring blade knife, or any knife the blade of which is automatically released by a spring mechanism or other mechanical device, or any knife having a blade which opens, or falls, or is ejected into position by the force of gravity, or by an outward, downward, or centrifugal thrust or movement." Local laws vary, of course. Seattle proper prohibits the carry of all fixed blades, open or concealed, with exceptions for hunters/fishers/martial artists... they also restrict the carry of folding blades to under 3.5 inches.
Most municipalites I have looked into do not restrict the carry of knifes beyond the state codes.

Do they have a combo food handlers/cpl card I can get? Not yet... perhaps we should propose just a license.

What about packing a loaded burrito? If the burrito is under 6 inches or over? This shiits cornfusaling. :scratchhead:As long as you have a CPL, you can keep the burrito loaded. Otherwise, it must be unloaded and locked in a opaque case. The state does not trust you with a loaded burrito!
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Jaydog said:
I'll say it again, I have had numerous officers tell me that I can have it in my vehicle loaded, including in the 11hr firearms class I took last year, so unless this is a recent change in the law, within the last 6 months, then I'm not buying it.
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There hasn't been. The wording of the law has been the same since 1982 when they specifically modified it to allow the carry of a loaded pistol in car without it being on the CPL holder's person.

Prior to 1982, it was illegal to do what we are discussing. As of the changes made by HB 600 in 1982, it is legal. My only source for this is that letter from Richard Heath... I have tried to find the text or report of HB 600 online, but the state doesn't have their older records available on the interwebs. But, Heath quotes portions of the report in his letter.
 
ZedMikey said:
There hasn't been. The wording of the law has been the same since 1982 when they specifically modified it to allow the carry of a loaded pistol in car without it being on the CPL holder's person.

Prior to 1982, it was illegal to do what we are discussing. As of the changes made by HB 600 in 1982, it is legal. My only source for this is that letter from Richard Heath... I have tried to find the text or report of HB 600 online, but the state doesn't have their older records available on the interwebs. But, Heath quotes portions of the report in his letter.
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I understand what you're saying but.....First off it's not a legal judgement it's an opinion. An important opinion back in 87 but an opinion none the less. Yes that section of the law in question is still worded the same but in the big picture it's a different law and there's no current opinion that I know of....These things are typically politically motivated when they happen so if the current AG wrote an opinion today it could come out quite different....And still be an opinion.
I don't know if anyone has been convicted or not, I haven't researched it. Maybe a good question for the gun forums?
BTW some are resting their hat on an officers opinion which is the worst thing you could ever do. Cops are wrong every day. It's your responsibility to know before you hear the cops opinion.:;
 
Binder said:
Have you read the entire law as written in 1982? If yes where did you find it?
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Unfortunately, no. I only have the quoted portions from Heath's letter. I might be able to find it if I hit the law library at UW, though.
 
Binder said:
If you do find it post it up here. We'd all like to read it.
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I'll see if I can make it over there sometime soon. It would be a good excuse to have lunch with some buddies from the ME department. I'll look for HB 600... it should have the original version of the law, as well as the current.
 

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