another "pit bull" attack...

[PORTER]

I would not loose any sleep if Pits went extinct. That is all.:corn:

 

[2pwrlftrs4u]

Well to answer the question simply I think all breeding of them should stop immediatly. With that they existing ones should be fixed. End the breeding of these highly inbread trigger happy dogs now. Thats my solution.

your solution :rolleyes:

 

[jruz]

This thread is for the dawgs. :redneck:

 

[H3RESQ]

So since were all here experts on this subject (:haha: :haha: ) whats the solution? what does everyone think the solution is? personally my thoughts are:

Dangerous INDIVIDUAL animals (not breeds): that have agressed or bitten should be required to be tested like the SPCA, they will try to provoke the animal, if it attacks, its destryed immedialty, i think the general public should do the same and it should be required.

Breeds deemed a deadly threat (defined as an animal that CAN lethally kill a human as easy as a firearm, without taking breeds history into consideration as to avoid discrimination, yes i mean a 1 size fits all law):
to make them a liscensable ownership requiring a liscense to own, breed, etc.. so that every retard cannot own a certain breed. gee, just think what a law like this could do for the APBT breed name if they were only owned by responsible owners!!

:cool:

I think testing them after they have attacked is light. Dog attacks it's dead!

When I got my Golden as a puppy I immediatly began Teaching to allow me to pull, tug and genrally bother it. Along with other things. Golden's are an easily trained dog and that helps. I still think it all boils down to training and even more knowing what to look for when you buy the dog.(this is very important) and is the most overlooked aspect when most people go to buy a dog. I went to 3 breeders before finding a golden with the temperment I was looking for.(and Goldens are easy mannered anyway.) Basically this means I like the idea of licensing/training people on what to look for in the dog they want.

 

[BustedPinion]

I think testing them after they have attacked is light. Dog attacks it's dead!

i meant all should be pretested, and attackers should be exterminated. period, no red tape, kiss em goodbye and put them to sleep.

 

[H3RESQ]

i meant all should be pretested, and attackers should be exterminated. period, no red tape, kiss em goodbye and put them to sleep.

Sounds good to me. We finally agree:haha:

 

[2pwrlftrs4u]

places that have breed specific restrictions all run into the same issue... responsible owners abide by the regulations or "register" their dog but the problem makers.... gang members, druggies, dog fighters, or even people who know nothing about the breed but own them as a status symbol dont and a poorly trained maybe abused animal does something bad.

anyone who has been attacked by a dog or had a child attacked by one, i'd love for you to meet my AMSTAFF. many of these animals are used as therapy dogs. while i dont expect anyone to run out and get one for a pet, i'd like for you to see what a good natured animal he is... could even be good for you/your child. he has never met a stranger ask anyone on here who has met him.

we know the public's general perception of the bully breed so we take extra care when in public. we allow no animal/person to just run up and meet. he is always... always leashed. we are even against cropping the ears for several reasons, the main one being the "meaner" appearance it gives the dog.

we start pulling on ears (palyfully), checking mouth/teeth, rubbing face, giving and taking away food while they are very young so that they are used to that type of contact and are not suprised when a kid comes up to pet and yanks an ear. when my yougest was 4 she could put hairbows on sam's ears and put doll shoes on him then drag him anywhere she wanted to go.

lastly i'll share a story i head in the news back home in texas.

a mom was watching her daughter play in the back yard. (mom was in the kitchen looking through the window) the neighbor's APBT jumped the chain link fence and was running in the little girl's direction, mom then runs outside... finds the APBT with a rattle snake in its mouth. the dog killed the snake but suffered bites. mom later admitted she had always hated the fact that he had lived next door becasue of the bad rep they have.

 

[Roccrawler]

If a dog bites period... Bullet to the head

That is all :cool:

I have never met a pitbull I would trust... If they vanised I wouldnt care.

 

[2pwrlftrs4u]

i meant all should be pretested, and attackers should be exterminated. period, no red tape, kiss em goodbye and put them to sleep.

all rescues do the above... now some animal shelters are doint the same or donating good ones to be trained as rescue/police dogs.

 

[BustedPinion]

maybe we could start a new idea, all underground dog fighters, druggie owners abusers etc put in cage with pist off animals :D











oh, did i mention wearing meat soaked underwear:haha: :haha:

 

[H3RESQ]

Sounds like more fun than UFC!!

 

[Gaylord]

your solution :rolleyes:

Great comeback probably took you an hour to come up with that huh?

Thats the solution to the problem. The dogs are to in-bread now and have to many loose wires. It's time to stop the breeding of them. Just as the cross breading of wolfs was made illegal. It's only a matter of time before this happens.

 

[Lucky Jeff]

My last dog had wolf mixed in.. best dog we've ever owned.. Only bad thing about him was he didn't know how big he was. He'd run up behind you and kick your legs out from under you then start licking you to death.

 

[2pwrlftrs4u]

Thats the solution to the problem.

you make me laugh :redneck:

 

[Totalled]

What breed is my roomate's, girlfriend's dog cloey?

 

[BustedPinion]

that is some kind of terrier MIX...

 

[2pwrlftrs4u]

What breed is my roomate's, girlfriend's dog cloey?

i dont even try to guess anymore... look here you'll see why

*note, there is not even a Staffy or AMSTAFF on there

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

hey busted, check out the boxer on there

 

[NotMatt]

You the owner do not know what happens inside these dogs heads. Something gets fowled up and thats when it happens.

Great comeback probably took you an hour to come up with that huh?

Thats the solution to the problem. The dogs are to in-bread now and have to many loose wires. It's time to stop the breeding of them. Just as the cross breading of wolfs was made illegal. It's only a matter of time before this happens.

The problem is that your opinion is ignorant. "Loose wires" and "fowled up" brains are not what cause domesticated animals to attack humans. Fear, abuse and improper training and restraint by the owner, combined with an animal that already has a "gamey" disposition are the causes of dog attacks. Calling it anything other than the science of how the animal's brain works is ignorant. There are people who have spent years learning how a dog's mind works, and here you are arguing that all pit bull type breeds should be irradicated based on your funny logic involving "loose wires".

Go tell that to a dog trainer, they'll laugh at you.

 

[2pwrlftrs4u]

The problem is that your opinion is ignorant. "Loose wires" and "fowled up" brains are not what cause domesticated animals to attack humans. Fear, abuse and improper training and restraint by the owner, combined with an animal that already has a "gamey" disposition are the causes of dog attacks. Calling it anything other than the science of how the animal's brain works is ignorant. There are people who have spent years learning how a dog's mind works, and here you are arguing that all pit bull type breeds should be irradicated based on your funny logic involving "loose wires".

Go tell that to a dog trainer, they'll laugh at you.

yep... if people wanna know the truth about how the breed acts as far as human aggression, read up on pit fighting or bull baiting. the dogs fight in rounds, like a boxing match. in between rounds they had to be able to be handled and doctored by the owner or handler. any dog that showed aggression to a human was killed. i have read stories of dog fighters owning rotties or shepards to keep their pit dogs from being stolen becasue they were so friendly to people. this goes back well over a century. it is in recent decades that we have the problems we have now. IMHO its the "bad element" poor breeding, bad owners, gang bangers, druggies.... you name it.

 

[Boomer]

I guess this seems pretty reasonable to me. Single out problem dogs and their owners, not entire breeds. When most of them turn out to pit bull types, oh well. Too bad, so sad. I would also like to see automatic prison time for someone who knowingly fails to control a dog that has proven itself to be dangerous and it kills somebody.

County's dog laws get more bite

New rules place greater responsibility on owners

By Jeff Switzer
Herald Writer

New rules give sharper teeth for cracking down on dangerous and barking dogs in Snohomish County.

Last week, the County Council approved the rules that declare a dog dangerous once it attacks another animal. Before, a dog had to kill another animal to be labeled dangerous.

Dogs continue to be labeled dangerous if they severely injure a person.

Under the new rules, such dangerous dogs must be spayed or neutered, live in a locked kennel with a roof and be muzzled in public.

Owners also must pay $200 to register dangerous pets and tag the dog with a microchip. State law still requires owners to have a $250,000 insurance bond for such dogs.

If owners don't comply, their dogs can be confiscated.

"This is an improvement to our code and appropriately targets the bad behavior of dogs and their owners," County Councilman Dave Somers said.

The changes put more responsibility on animal owners, "and makes the owner think twice about keeping a dog that has attacked or bitten a human or animal," said Vicki Lubrin, county licensing manager in charge of animal control services.

"Ultimately, we feel it gives us the proper tools to restrict or contain those dogs to the owner's property and hopefully increase public safety," she said.

The changes update regulations that in some cases were 30 years out of date, Lubrin said.

The rules come as a relief to the Williams family of Lake Stevens, whose greyhound Megan was viciously attacked by a neighbor's pit bull a year ago.

Brian Williams lobbied the County Council for stricter rules and brought Megan, now 9 years old, to visit politicians.

"I think these regulations make owners responsible for their dogs' actions," Williams said. "I think what it does is permit common citizens to take back the streets."

Williams said he was on a walk in January 2006 when his neighbor's pit bull attacked and sank its teeth into Megan's abdomen. He pepper-sprayed the pit bull without effect and had to kick the dog four times to get it to let go.

Surgeries to repair muscle injuries to his dog cost about $1,500, the family said.

After the pit bull was linked to another attack on a dog in the neighborhood, the county filed criminal charges. The pit bull's owner eventually surrendered his dog to a pit bull rescue operation in King County.

But the Williamses were frustrated by vague county regulations that labeled dogs as dangerous if they attacked humans, but not other animals.

"These laws about muzzling are important," Michele Williams told the County Council.

The council also decriminalized offenses for barking dogs, unlicensed and off-leash pets, which used to require a trip to county Superior Court and cost up to $250 in fines.

Now, leash and license citations are considered code violations and cost $50 for the first offense and $100 for the second offense.

"There will be a quicker turnaround in the enforcement," Lubrin said.

Under the new regulations, animal control officers also can enforce noise rules on troublesome barking dogs, something only sheriff's deputies could do before, Lubrin said.

Fearing a raft of tickets, farmers with herds of dairy goats lobbied for protections for their barking farm dogs.

Dairy goat farmer Katharine Hendrickson of Arlington said she bought farm dogs because she was losing poultry and barn cats to a cougar or coyotes.

"I've felt a lot more peace when my children are doing chores in the back pasture," she told the council.

She's had to answer complaints from a neighbor about barking dogs and handle visits from animal control officers. Even though she hasn't received a ticket, she said she worries a proposed housing development nearby might bring more complaints.

"Without some changes at the county level, the problem will only escalate," she said.

Wendy Glunt of Stanwood said her barking farm dogs are "livestock guardians."

The county's Right to Farm law protects farm activities but doesn't protect barking farm dogs from possible prosecution, Glunt said.

Animal control officers said they have never given a ticket for a barking farm dog.

Even so, the County Council wrote a special clause that exempts farm dogs from noise rules.

County staff called it the Working Dog Protection Act of 2007.

 

[BustedPinion]

i dont even try to guess anymore... look here you'll see why

*note, there is not even a Staffy or AMSTAFF on there

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

hey busted, check out the boxer on there

piece of cake, got em on first try. that boxer was fugly:wtf: wrinkled beaty eyed fukker looked half charpai:haha:

 

[Hip]

I can't wait for the next breed...

"Chihuahua takes down jogger" :haha:

in my 50 years of dog lovin i have been bitten about 25 to 30 times. all but one were from poodles chiauas or beagles. damn ankle biters. rockys vet said that by far the most dog bites that cause hospital visits are small dog bites. they are way more vicious they just dont have the strength to do any real damage so it goes unreported in the press.

so with all this stuff about vicious dogs and bad owners: does that make me a bad owner to take rocky wheeling with me and let him run off leash?

many of you know me and my dog, he is not capable of hurting another person or animal unless he inadvertantly steps on them with his big feet.

to me wheeling and my dog go hand in hand. probably wouldnt wheel if i could not take my dog.

 

[Gaylord]

The problem is that your opinion is ignorant. "Loose wires" and "fowled up" brains are not what cause domesticated animals to attack humans. Fear, abuse and improper training and restraint by the owner, combined with an animal that already has a "gamey" disposition are the causes of dog attacks. Calling it anything other than the science of how the animal's brain works is ignorant. There are people who have spent years learning how a dog's mind works, and here you are arguing that all pit bull type breeds should be irradicated based on your funny logic involving "loose wires".

Go tell that to a dog trainer, they'll laugh at you.

Well in my opinion you have just shown your ignorance on the matter. Fact is these dogs even with proper training no abuse ect ect just loose it one day. I have seen it on a personal level twice now. So know your facts before you call somone ignorant asshat.:looser:

BTW my mother was a dog trainer for years in the 70's and 80's and has shaped some of my beleifes in regards to these behaviors in agressive breeds.

 

[NotMatt]

Well in my opinion you have just shown your ignorance on the matter. Fact is these dogs even with proper training no abuse ect ect just loose it one day. I have seen it on a personal level twice now. So know your facts before you call somone ignorant asshat.:looser:

What facts do I need to know? You haven't given me any kind of "facts" other than "I've seen it". Sorry, I'm sure you've "seen it"... but it doesn't make it fact that there are "loose wires" or that the dog just snapped. Dogs don't just "snap"... there are ALWAYS warning signs that there are problems, but if you don't know how to identify them, then you will always think it's "just them vicious pit bulls having a loose wire in their brain and just lettin' loose" The reality is, there are multiple factors that make a dog attack a human, not one of them is magical or mystical voodoo like you seem to think. See my original post for the reasons dogs attack humans.

Sorry you think I'm an asshat. I'm a qualified asshat though. :flipoff:

 

[Gaylord]

NOMATT,

Sorry asshat was kinda strong. But dogs do just snap and without signs. I gave two good examples earlier.

 

[2pwrlftrs4u]

piece of cake, got em on first try. that boxer was fugly:wtf: wrinkled beaty eyed fukker looked half charpai:haha:

i got the APBT on the 3rd try. i know it woud not have been one with cropped ears so those were ruled out right off the bat.

 

[junkyard jim]

you are right... any dog over 30lbs could do that to a child so they all should be put down. then we can ban people from owning any other "dangerous" animals. next lets take away guns, becasue i know somebody's child had a bad experience with one before... oh, i guess cars should be next since kids have been hit by them in the past. dont forget about harmfull chemicals or medications that kids have gotten into before ban them too... even toys, lets take them away along with coins because kids have choked on them. :rolleyes:

Don't forget stairs and swings and lawndarts! (oh yeah, they already got those, didn't they?)


My wife's pit/lab cross is split personalitied. We got him from pit rescue and I have to watch him around certain people (generally anyone with a "tan" or smokers) He even growls at my sons when they haven't been around him in awhile (they smoke) but as soon as he realizes who they are, he loves on them.
I have him under voice command. If he's on the leash, he'll drag me all over the place unless I tell him not to. If he's off the leash, he walks right beside me and watches me for orders. He'll pull at the leash if he sees a cat or squirrel (he actually grew up with cats and tries to play with them) but he'll just look and whine "can I go play?" if he's off leash. We take him to offleash areas to play with other dogs (he's very vocal and has a loud growl that scares other dog owners, but he's never even nipped at another dog unless he's been bit first)
Like I said, we watch him carefully. He's many things in one. Lapdog, guard dog (barks at shadows), skittish (scared of doors!), babyish (after dark, if my wife's not home to snuggle with, he gets his toy and wanders around whining in a little whistle till I tell him to knock it off), protector (whoa unto anyone strange who approaches my wife's car or her, even at the doggie park)

 

[junkyard jim]

Are you defending the owner? Are you saying they couldn't possibly have done anything wrong before/during/after the incident? Imagine putting your son in a cage outside because he got into a fight at school. I hate using that kind of example but that is basically what they did to the dog and it does absolutely nothing to help the situation. It is all too common for a dog owner to hit their dog when it misbehaves, but they don't see it as abuse.

I'm thinking that since the dog had no trouble before, either something snapped, or maybe it ate something bad (someone could even have fed it something at the park or the dog could've found someone's dropped crack rocks and snarfed them up)

 

[SeaRubi]

99% of the pits i've met have been so friendly, really lovable dogs. I can only think of one that i encountered, in highschool and in a rough district in oklahoma city, where the dog acted mean or growled. it was being walked down the street, predictably, by gang-bangers.

it's in a pits nature to love kids so most people mix them, and then find out the dogs temperament wasn't right after its too late. It's that 1% floating out there in the gene pool that does 'em in. i hate seeing people who think that walking around with a pit bull or having one caged up in their yard makes them feel like a badass. there's a mentality there that secretly hopes the dog will take a pound of flesh out of someone and that's dangerous. i've seen it time and time again.

we had a chi-wawa when i was a little kid - meanest dog i've ever known. he was near rabid. he loved me and we'd play together but as soon as someone else got near him (even my dad) he'd just go berserk. bit my cousins a couple times. he was eventually killed the 2nd time he got ranover by a car.

as much as i like pits myself i don't want the liability of having one in the city. i just love our collie dog. he's a big, colorful 70lb dork. i call him wingnut but his real name is merlin. He LOVES the snow. sorry - just thought i'd share :D

 

[Boxxerace]

I read that. Assuming it is correct, pit bull terriers are responsible for more attacks causing bodily harm than all other breeds COMBINED. :omg:

Terriers can be a real pain. Little ugly bastards.