Boeing workers?

[CentralGrand]

Saw this on the news this morning.... I know there are some Boeing workers here. Is it going to affect any of ya? Typical blue state :corn:

http://www.thedeal.com/corporatedealmaker/2009/10/boeing_spreads_its_wings_with.php

 

[zig80toy]

When they made the announcement to move the second line, I heard words like,

 

[phew]

yes it will my wife is a pa3 for the 787 and has already been getting emails about relacating and training in sc. I think eventually it's gonna affect everyone in the area around everett, marysville, and others. Whats stopping them from taking everything once the other plant is up and running ?

 

[Mark m.]

Right now I don't think it will affect to many people but in the years to come it will affect alot of people. Meaning I see this as the beginning of the end for boeing in Wa. state.

 

[Arnold]

Right now I don't think it will affect to many people but in the years to come it will affect alot of people. Meaning I see this as the beginning of the end for boeing in Wa. state.

Unfortunately, that's what I think will happen too.

 

[Boosted]

Right now I don't think it will affect to many people but in the years to come it will affect alot of people. Meaning I see this as the beginning of the end for boeing in Wa. state.

I dont think this will be the case....Mark, call me when you get a chance.

 

[Arnold]

I dont think this will be the case....Mark, call me when you get a chance.

Why?

 

[AMJ]

Right now I don't think it will affect to many people but in the years to come it will affect alot of people. Meaning I see this as the beginning of the end for boeing in Wa. state.

The beginning of the end of Boeing in Wa. state is when they move their headquarter to Chicago or where ever it was.

 

[Jaydog]

Can't really blame them, maybe they can find some employees that appreciate having a job, instead of the ones here that strike all the time.

 

[Todd1803]

Does anybody else notice that the labor groups still refuse to accept an ounce of responsibility for Boeing's decision? They just aren't willing to admit that they are the main reason Boeing is setting up shop elsewhere.

 

[Pook]

Price of land and tax breaks are also good incentive to move businesses.

My dad's friend was more or less given the land if he was willing to move his business to a small town that appreciated him bringing work to the area.

 

[RusM]

'...in a right-to-work state where aerospace workers just voted to decertify a union.'

Yep. Why can't the unions figure out that binding third party arbitration is the way to go before striking? You will still get the benefits of being in a union without some of the drawbacks.

 

[CentralGrand]

I really know jack-**** about the whole thing not being an employee, I just follow local big business. It's common knowledge that WA is a terrible place to be a business owner, and it's things like this that really makes me wonder if there is any common sense in Olympia... I mean seriously. Seems like blue states stimulate red states:haha:

 

[tlcruiser66]

One of the many reasons that Boeing is moving down there is that they won't have to pay into unemployment, something that costs them millions each year. The downside to this is of course when (not if since it's Boeing we're talking about) they decide they've hired too many people down there and start to lay off again the people in the SC plant will be out of a job and not be able to collect one penny to help them survive.

If there's one word describes Boeing for the past 10 years it would be failure, every decision they've managed to make has cost them money and none of them are working out the way they'd hoped. South Carolina will end up going the same direction as everything else this company has tried to do lately, they believe that hiring an underpaid workforce that has little to no experience in manufacturing will work out for them when it's only going to end up in more delays and a defect rate that will cause more customers to flee to their competitor.

The union is not free of blame in all of this either, the utter incompetance and greed that has corrupted them over the last few decades has turned a lot of their own people against them and has soured any support them may have recieved in the past from the media.

The attitudes that are being shown by both Boeing and the IAM are pathetic, everyone wants to blame the other side and the employees are stuck in the middle of two bickering parents just hopeing that at the end of the day we have a job to go to.

 

[tlcruiser66]

Can't really blame them, maybe they can find some employees that appreciate having a job, instead of the ones here that strike all the time.

The majority of the employees are not what you picture in your head. Up until the past contract a good percentage of the voting members were "new hires" who came into a multi-billion dollar a year company making 12 bucks an hour to build airplanes. I don't see you attracting a good quality workforce in this area for wages like that, hell I've been with Boeing for 3 and a half years now and have busted my ass to get to 18.50 and hour and even I can barely pay my monthly bills.

 

[tlcruiser66]

Does anybody else notice that the labor groups still refuse to accept an ounce of responsibility for Boeing's decision? They just aren't willing to admit that they are the main reason Boeing is setting up shop elsewhere.

Labor unions are just the main excuse for Boeing moving their work out, the long term goal is to get multiple locations globally trained to build the planes then sell off locations and have the actual manufacturing done out of company. Basically Boeing want's to be a contractor, they want to crunch numbers and make sales without having to deal with the hands on part of making airplanes.

 

[NotSoPC]

"new hires" who came into a multi-billion dollar a year company making 12 bucks an hour to build airplanes. I don't see you attracting a good quality workforce in this area for wages like that, hell I've been with Boeing for 3 and a half years now and have busted my ass to get to 18.50 and hour and even I can barely pay my monthly bills.

This is oh so true. A good amount of those who work for Boeing are hard workers, but the ones you hear about and from most of the time are not. I have been with Boeing for almost 3yrs and it is hard to stay with it and still pay bill when you start at $12 an hour. Plus on top of that I had to go to one month of training just to get the job and did not get one penny for that (this training is in Everett and I was living in Enumclaw at the time). True the money is good after you max out, but this takes about 6yrs to do and untill then you only get 50 cents every 6 months. I still do not make what I did before I came here.

Labor unions are just the main excuse for Boeing moving their work out, the long term goal is to get multiple locations globally trained to build the planes then sell off locations and have the actual manufacturing done out of company. Basically Boeing want's to be a contractor, they want to crunch numbers and make sales without having to deal with the hands on part of making airplanes.

Assembly of vender parts is what Boeing wants to be. This will mean that the airplane will be built and spots all around the world then just put together and sent off. Less people will make good money (alot less) and most others will end up working for another company making parts for Boeing rather then at Boeing. I myself would like to get the training I can then be able to move my family to the area we would like to live and still be able to support them.

 

[NotSoPC]

Boeing will still be in WA for a while cause it would cost far too much to move all the assembly lines elsewhere. As the plane's they build get replaced by new ones they may/will build them in a state that will be more cost effective for them. With all the taxes and other fees they pay to be in WA I can not blame them for wanting to move.



P.S. Not all those in IAM are lazy money hungry ass holes a lot of us are just happy to have a job and not be laid off like some. Union jobs tend to have a lot of people who other wise would have been fired long ago (one thing that bugs me about unions).

 

[phew]

All the machinists had to do was promise not to strike and they kept it here. The unions are greedy plain and simple. One more reason unions are worthless.


It's a new plane no one knows whats going on with it exept that it won't fly for awhile, and when it does I won't fly one till the production numbers are in the 100's no way in hell.

 

[NotSoPC]

All the machinists had to do was promise not to strike and they kept it here. The unions are greedy plain and simple. One more reason unions are worthless.

By the way it was the union not the members who made that choice. Not to mention Boeing was already going to do a second line they only had to make it look like they were giving WA a chance.

 

[phew]

By the way it was the union not the members who made that choice. Not to mention Boeing was already going to do a second line they only had to make it look like they were giving WA a chance.

i know the union was looking out for #1 not there employees. My wife got the notice at 8am telling them about it. At 9 they where emailing out offers to move there and train the new employees.

 

[NotSoPC]

i know the union was looking out for #1 not there employees. My wife got the notice at 8am telling them about it. At 9 they where emailing out offers to move there and train the new employees.

Yup that's just how **** like this happens. Sucks but nothin we can really do about it. It was set into motion long before I ever came to Boeing.

 

[tlcruiser66]

All the machinists had to do was promise not to strike and they kept it here. The unions are greedy plain and simple. One more reason unions are worthless.


It's a new plane no one knows whats going on with it exept that it won't fly for awhile, and when it does I won't fly one till the production numbers are in the 100's no way in hell.

Machinists weren't in control of anything, Boeing had already gotten all permits required to break ground on the SC plant months ago, there was nothing that the union could have done (short of removing themselves from the company completely) that would have stopped the new line from moving out of state.

It really doesn't matter anyways, Boeing management has proven that they cannot deal with any changes and this will just end up being another failure that is blamed on the union.

 

[NotSoPC]

It really doesn't matter anyways, Boeing management has proven that they cannot deal with any changes and this will just end up being another failure that is blamed on the union.

Kinda like how the strike put the 87 behind 2yrs:haha:

 

[tlcruiser66]

Kinda like how the strike put the 87 behind 2yrs:haha:

Amazing isn't it, in 87 days we could have fixed what Boeing has been ****ing up for 2 years :redneck:

I'd be surprised if that thing ever takes off, not saying it would have gone smoothly if they had kept all the work in-house but it sure made things worse having the work split up amongst so many different companies.

 

[NotSoPC]

Amazing isn't it, in 87 days we could have fixed what Boeing has been ****ing up for 2 years :redneck:

I'd be surprised if that thing ever takes off, not saying it would have gone smoothly if they had kept all the work in-house but it sure made things worse having the work split up amongst so many different country's. .

Fixed it for ya:awesomework:

 

[CreepinTJ]

Ill go to boeing and whoop some desk jockey's Arse!

 

[NotSoPC]

Ill go to boeing and whoop some desk jockey's Arse!

Thats the same thing I would like to do at times:awesomework:

 

[Totalled]

One of the many reasons that Boeing is moving down there is that they won't have to pay into unemployment, something that costs them millions each year. The downside to this is of course when (not if since it's Boeing we're talking about) they decide they've hired too many people down there and start to lay off again the people in the SC plant will be out of a job and not be able to collect one penny to help them survive.

If there's one word describes Boeing for the past 10 years it would be failure, every decision they've managed to make has cost them money and none of them are working out the way they'd hoped. South Carolina will end up going the same direction as everything else this company has tried to do lately, they believe that hiring an underpaid workforce that has little to no experience in manufacturing will work out for them when it's only going to end up in more delays and a defect rate that will cause more customers to flee to their competitor.

The union is not free of blame in all of this either, the utter incompetance and greed that has corrupted them over the last few decades has turned a lot of their own people against them and has soured any support them may have recieved in the past from the media.

The attitudes that are being shown by both Boeing and the IAM are pathetic, everyone wants to blame the other side and the employees are stuck in the middle of two bickering parents just hopeing that at the end of the day we have a job to go to.

This.

 

[zig80toy]

:corn: