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<blockquote data-quote="Travis1" data-source="post: 783866" data-attributes="member: 16253"><p>The point of the post was more to find out if anyone else has been hearing this. I'm more interested to find out where this is coming from since it was brought up once in a Region 2 meeting but I dont' know who brought it up. But to answer your question,</p><p></p><p>I can see one point - although it's the drivers not the tires that are the problem.</p><p></p><p>MOST of the trails that have been around forever were built for rigs with tires no larger than 33, *maybe* 35" tires. MOST of the trails are easily passed with a rig on 31" tires.</p><p></p><p>Enter the drivers with rigs with larger tires, get bored, go cut a bypass that's more entertaining OR purposely tear a trail up, trail braiding starts happening by either the smaller guys that can't get through the abused section, or the bigger guys that want more entertainment, and the place goes to hell.</p><p>(That's not to say that smaller rigs don't cut their own bypasses for whatever reasons)</p><p></p><p>So, the forest service steps in, notices the areas torn up by bigger rigs and decides the only way they can stop bigger rigs from tearing up the land is to "outlaw" them - since it's next to impossible to identify, let alone stop the individuals causing the problem. But, it is easy to spot a rig on 36's, 38's, 40+" tires, etc.</p><p></p><p>Then I have to look at the realistic approach to this. Now... before people start tearing me apart, keep in mind, I recently went to 38" tires so this would affect me....</p><p></p><p>People are constantly complaining about trails not being difficult enough for bigger rigs. Bigger rigs are a relatively new thing, just 5-6 years ago 35" tires were "big", at least as far as trail rigs go.</p><p></p><p>So, exactly what is the problem - is it the trails, or is it the users overbuilding their rigs, then getting bored. Personally, I lean toward the later. I like my 38's, and feel I should run what I want, but I also keep in mind that once I cleared 33" tires, I was overbuilt for 95% of the terrain out there. Which makes me the problem - not the trails. So I don't complain, but if an opportunity arises to build a tougher trail I'll gladly push for it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>As for the smaller tires causing the terrain to be torn up more comment. For most of the trails out there, that's total BS - It has NOTHING to do with tire size - EVERYTHING to do with the driver. Over most trails - I could take a rig on 31" tires and you'de never know I had been through. It's all in knowing how to drive.</p><p></p><p>Where I stand on proposing tire size limitations? I dont' like it, I don't like the idea of someone telling me I can't run a certain size of tire. But, I also have trouble thinking of a legitimate, arguable case, against such a limitation. Especially considering it's in the Forest Service's charter to protect resources first, provide open land second.</p><p></p><p>Just my .02</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Travis1, post: 783866, member: 16253"] The point of the post was more to find out if anyone else has been hearing this. I'm more interested to find out where this is coming from since it was brought up once in a Region 2 meeting but I dont' know who brought it up. But to answer your question, I can see one point - although it's the drivers not the tires that are the problem. MOST of the trails that have been around forever were built for rigs with tires no larger than 33, *maybe* 35" tires. MOST of the trails are easily passed with a rig on 31" tires. Enter the drivers with rigs with larger tires, get bored, go cut a bypass that's more entertaining OR purposely tear a trail up, trail braiding starts happening by either the smaller guys that can't get through the abused section, or the bigger guys that want more entertainment, and the place goes to hell. (That's not to say that smaller rigs don't cut their own bypasses for whatever reasons) So, the forest service steps in, notices the areas torn up by bigger rigs and decides the only way they can stop bigger rigs from tearing up the land is to "outlaw" them - since it's next to impossible to identify, let alone stop the individuals causing the problem. But, it is easy to spot a rig on 36's, 38's, 40+" tires, etc. Then I have to look at the realistic approach to this. Now... before people start tearing me apart, keep in mind, I recently went to 38" tires so this would affect me.... People are constantly complaining about trails not being difficult enough for bigger rigs. Bigger rigs are a relatively new thing, just 5-6 years ago 35" tires were "big", at least as far as trail rigs go. So, exactly what is the problem - is it the trails, or is it the users overbuilding their rigs, then getting bored. Personally, I lean toward the later. I like my 38's, and feel I should run what I want, but I also keep in mind that once I cleared 33" tires, I was overbuilt for 95% of the terrain out there. Which makes me the problem - not the trails. So I don't complain, but if an opportunity arises to build a tougher trail I'll gladly push for it. As for the smaller tires causing the terrain to be torn up more comment. For most of the trails out there, that's total BS - It has NOTHING to do with tire size - EVERYTHING to do with the driver. Over most trails - I could take a rig on 31" tires and you'de never know I had been through. It's all in knowing how to drive. Where I stand on proposing tire size limitations? I dont' like it, I don't like the idea of someone telling me I can't run a certain size of tire. But, I also have trouble thinking of a legitimate, arguable case, against such a limitation. Especially considering it's in the Forest Service's charter to protect resources first, provide open land second. Just my .02 [/QUOTE]
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