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<blockquote data-quote="Horus" data-source="post: 1490840" data-attributes="member: 17219"><p>I have been politically active for ORV use for only two years, give or take.</p><p></p><p>Over the last 30 years how effective has going to FS meetings and expressing our concerns to them been? It seems to me the ORV community has been doing the same thing working with the FS and "expressing concerns" to the lower ranks for decades now. To be fair this applies to the DNR as well.</p><p></p><p>Where has this gotten us? I see photos of what Evans Creek and the Naches Wagon trail used to look like, <em>all year round</em> and today they are shadows of what they were, when they're open.</p><p></p><p>How much trail mileage have we lost in the last ten, twenty even thirty years? Is it that our concerns are not being voiced at these meetings? Is the Forest Service not listening to our concerns?</p><p></p><p>I am behind the wheel of my buggy three times a month on average and year round. Camping and smashing all weekend long at least once a month. As a regular user I get to know most of the other regular users 85% of which do not use the internet forums. I generally agree with their point of view and enjoy communicating it here for the other 15% to read.</p><p></p><p>Bottom line. They could act in a way that benefits everyone involved. They do not. They are ever more controlling and taking more and more away and yet we let them do it, even defending their bullshit and helping them with physical labor along the way. Why?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Horus, post: 1490840, member: 17219"] I have been politically active for ORV use for only two years, give or take. Over the last 30 years how effective has going to FS meetings and expressing our concerns to them been? It seems to me the ORV community has been doing the same thing working with the FS and "expressing concerns" to the lower ranks for decades now. To be fair this applies to the DNR as well. Where has this gotten us? I see photos of what Evans Creek and the Naches Wagon trail used to look like, [I]all year round[/I] and today they are shadows of what they were, when they're open. How much trail mileage have we lost in the last ten, twenty even thirty years? Is it that our concerns are not being voiced at these meetings? Is the Forest Service not listening to our concerns? I am behind the wheel of my buggy three times a month on average and year round. Camping and smashing all weekend long at least once a month. As a regular user I get to know most of the other regular users 85% of which do not use the internet forums. I generally agree with their point of view and enjoy communicating it here for the other 15% to read. Bottom line. They could act in a way that benefits everyone involved. They do not. They are ever more controlling and taking more and more away and yet we let them do it, even defending their bullshit and helping them with physical labor along the way. Why? [/QUOTE]
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