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<blockquote data-quote="Horus" data-source="post: 1490859" data-attributes="member: 17219"><p>Good point regarding legal vs bootleg trails lost. When compared to the standard of modern 4X4s set by the national average the only things we've had at our disposal here are bootleg. DNR and FS standards are decades behind the rest of the nation in terms of technicality. Really the legal area are only good if you want to wheel all day and never spill your beer. For those of us using rigs built to modern standards and wanting to use them as nature intended there are only what Evans, Elbe, Tahuya, Walker and even Naches all used to be... bootleg. A point I refuse to argue as I've seen enough photos from before these areas were adopted as official ORV areas.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Here is where we differ. I feel that a trail can be closed without actually officially closing it. This can be done by graveling it over and smoothing it out. Once a transfer case is considered "overbuilding your rig" then that trail becomes irrelevant anyway. </p><p></p><p>I went back to Evans Creek for the first time in well over two years, three weekends ago. I was appalled at what they have done to that place. I ran the lower 311 once all weekend. On that run I found the end of my overdrive several times through. This indicates my rig was hitting 55 mph in spots. The rest of the weekend I'd leave the campground and just go experiment at Brake Line Hill for a bit and come back. I have no use for the rest of the 311 road leading to BLH, except maybe the cool line to the left of the two big rocks at the beginning. </p><p></p><p>At least with the DNR they are pretending to compromise. The Forest Service is out to kill everything. I have decided I will not cooperate with them to do this. We need to get the environmental laws they are held to exempted from us or exempt them from our woods.</p><p></p><p>Sad as it sounds I'll take a closed trail over an open road. We already have plenty of roads. What is happening on FS trails is NOT compromise, it is complete and utter defeat.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Horus, post: 1490859, member: 17219"] Good point regarding legal vs bootleg trails lost. When compared to the standard of modern 4X4s set by the national average the only things we've had at our disposal here are bootleg. DNR and FS standards are decades behind the rest of the nation in terms of technicality. Really the legal area are only good if you want to wheel all day and never spill your beer. For those of us using rigs built to modern standards and wanting to use them as nature intended there are only what Evans, Elbe, Tahuya, Walker and even Naches all used to be... bootleg. A point I refuse to argue as I've seen enough photos from before these areas were adopted as official ORV areas. Here is where we differ. I feel that a trail can be closed without actually officially closing it. This can be done by graveling it over and smoothing it out. Once a transfer case is considered "overbuilding your rig" then that trail becomes irrelevant anyway. I went back to Evans Creek for the first time in well over two years, three weekends ago. I was appalled at what they have done to that place. I ran the lower 311 once all weekend. On that run I found the end of my overdrive several times through. This indicates my rig was hitting 55 mph in spots. The rest of the weekend I'd leave the campground and just go experiment at Brake Line Hill for a bit and come back. I have no use for the rest of the 311 road leading to BLH, except maybe the cool line to the left of the two big rocks at the beginning. At least with the DNR they are pretending to compromise. The Forest Service is out to kill everything. I have decided I will not cooperate with them to do this. We need to get the environmental laws they are held to exempted from us or exempt them from our woods. Sad as it sounds I'll take a closed trail over an open road. We already have plenty of roads. What is happening on FS trails is NOT compromise, it is complete and utter defeat. [/QUOTE]
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