The coming Ice Age

[Jaydog]

Yeah, I know I didn't evolve from a monkey, which is what makes that statement even more hilarious... Some people think that's what scientists say happened :lol:

Well, it used to be, but like most science, once more is learned then the whole theory changes and evolves, matter of fact, there's probably more evolution in science than there is on the entire planet :fawkdancesmiley:

 

[CrustyJeep]

Well, it used to be

See? That's funny. Nobody ever really said that.

 

[WHITE TRASH1]

See? That's funny. Nobody ever really said that.

Yes they did. That has been the long standing thought that man evolved from the primordial ooze and evolution took it's course and we descended from ape.

 

[CrustyJeep]

Yes they did. That has been the long standing thought that man evolved from the primordial ooze and evolution took it's course and we descended from ape.

No. From some common, perhaps ape LIKE, common ancestor. We did not evolve from an ape or a monkey or anything like that we can now go look at walking around in nature.

The whole "evolved from monkeys" **** was made up out of thin air by people who didn't understand and didn't like the theory for all sorts of unscientific reasons.

 

[WHITE TRASH1]

No. From some common, perhaps ape LIKE, common ancestor. We did not evolve from an ape or a monkey or anything like that we can now go look at walking around in nature.

The whole "evolved from monkeys" **** was made up out of thin air by people who didn't understand and didn't like the theory for all sorts of unscientific reasons.

Really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_human_evolution

I know it's your favorite source and all but there ya go. :D

 

[CrustyJeep]

Really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_human_evolution

I know it's your favorite source and all but there ya go. :D

That doesn't really say what you're saying it does. It most certainly isn't saying what the common evolution hater says it does.

 

[Jaydog]

See? That's funny. Nobody ever really said that.

Now you're sounding like Wiener and Clinton, have we really digressed to the point of mincing words? You and I are about the same age, and we all saw the pictures in school of the ape evolving to man, every science teacher I had from K-12 said we evolved from apes, it has been inundated throughout our culture, if nobody ever really said it, then why does everyone believe it?

Just accept as theories are proven wrong they have to migrate a little, and add a little "Magic" here and there. :D

 

[zukkev]

Oooh, Oooh, Aaahh, Aaahh!!!
:redneck:

 

[Jaydog]

Oooh, Oooh, Aaahh, Aaahh!!!
:redneck:

:haha::haha::haha:

 

[CrustyJeep]

Now you're sounding like Wiener and Clinton, have we really digressed to the point of mincing words? You and I are about the same age, and we all saw the pictures in school of the ape evolving to man, every science teacher I had from K-12 said we evolved from apes, it has been inundated throughout our culture, if nobody ever really said it, then why does everyone believe it?

Wait, so elementary teachers are scientists now? Based on a flawed diagram and mediocre understanding of the theory by your elementary school teachers, you feel authoritative in tossing the entire theory out the window? :rofl:

How about relativity? I bet none of your elementary teachers understood that ****. We better throw it out. Never mind that the GPS system uses the theory of relativity to remove inaccuracy, right?

 

[Jaydog]

Wait, so elementary teachers are scientists now? Based on a flawed diagram and mediocre understanding of the theory by your elementary school teachers, you feel authoritative in tossing the entire theory out the window? :rofl:

How about relativity? I bet none of your elementary teachers understood that ****. We better throw it out. Never mind that the GPS system uses the theory of relativity to remove inaccuracy, right?

Now your just grasping at straws, I guess we should just shut down all schools since teachers don't know anything that they teach :rolleyes:

 

[ZedMikey]

You're way too funny. So the THEORY of evolution has been shown to be accurate, demonstratable and repeatable explanation of the data? HAHAHA, That's WAY too funny. The THEORY of evolution has been refuted more often that it's been supported as scientific evidence continues to be gathered. So has the global cooling, global warming, global cooling, ah crap, we'll just call it climate change because we don't really know WTF is going to happen. The theory of climate change...

Yes. Evolutionary theory has been tested repeatedly and shown to be an accurate representation of the data. If you would like, feel free to post some links to where it has been refuted, and I will gladly take a look at them and respond to those claims.

And again, you need to try using factually accurate sources of information if you think the overwhelming consensus of the scientific community regarding global climate change has been anything but consistent since the early 70s. I've been over this before on here.

 

[ZedMikey]

Now your just grasping at straws, I guess we should just shut down all schools since teachers don't know anything that they teach :rolleyes:

That isn't what he said, and you know it.

Primary (and secondary, for that matter) school teachers are not leading researchers in ANY field, much less in every field they teach. On top of that, complex scientific topics are purposefully made easier to digest for introductory classes... especially for introductory classes for children. That means details are left out. Lots of details. And as Crusty mentioned, many of those details are beyond the understanding of the teachers... that doesn't mean they aren't good teachers. It just means they aren't cutting edge researchers.

 

[CrustyJeep]

Now your just grasping at straws, I guess we should just shut down all schools since teachers don't know anything that they teach :rolleyes:

That's not what I said, and how am I grasping at straws? You continue to provide no useful input as to how the theories of evolution and anthropogenic CO2 should be tossed out the window. Nothing. You hate those theories, clearly, and disagree with them vehemently, but still provide no data of your own that discredits them. Instead, you reference some stupid diagram shown to elementary students to attempt to illustrate the theory in a way an elementary student might be able to grasp, and say "see? The theory is stupid!" Can't you do any better than that at all? Straw men is all you've got?

 

[Jaydog]

Yes. Evolutionary theory has been tested repeatedly and shown to be an accurate representation of the data.

Actually, after years of testing Dr Kenyon reversed his original thought on biochemical evolution and showed that life could not have come out of the primordial ooze without outside help. The theory has been tested, but it has failed the test in several places, but we already had that thread :D

 

[Jaydog]

That isn't what he said, and you know it.

Primary (and secondary, for that matter) school teachers are not leading researchers in ANY field, much less in every field they teach. On top of that, complex scientific topics are purposefully made easier to digest for introductory classes... especially for introductory classes for children. That means details are left out. Lots of details. And as Crusty mentioned, many of those details are beyond the understanding of the teachers... that doesn't mean they aren't good teachers. It just means they aren't cutting edge researchers.

Most high school biology teachers have a degree in science, and fully understand the theory, then they teach the theory of man evolving from apes, It was taught that way and I think you both know that, but are dancing around the subject.

That's not what I said, and how am I grasping at straws? You continue to provide no useful input as to how the theories of evolution and anthropogenic CO2 should be tossed out the window. Nothing. You hate those theories, clearly, and disagree with them vehemently, but still provide no data of your own that discredits them. Instead, you reference some stupid diagram shown to elementary students to attempt to illustrate the theory in a way an elementary student might be able to grasp, and say "see? The theory is stupid!" Can't you do any better than that at all? Straw men is all you've got?

Global warming and Evolution are two completely different topics, if you'd like to continue with the Evolution debate then start another thread, or go back and re-read what we discussed in the other thread, after Kenyon's discovery it is a mute point to me.

As far as man made global warming, there isn't enough evidence to show how much we attribute to it, again there are hundreds of credible sites for both sides, I have read both arguments, and honestly niether one impacts me, and I don't lean either way, I just think there is too much money on the one side and political leaning to take it seriously.

 

[ZedMikey]

You guys are completely missing the point of Crusty's post. Of course, the reason you are missing the point is because you don't understand what evolutionary theory actually says.

The scientific theory of evolution has NEVER said humans evolved from monkeys. Never. Ever. Not once. Not even slightly. Did your grade school teacher say it? Sure... maybe he/she did. Was your grade school teacher right? No, he/she wasn't.

Humans share a common ancestor with modern great apes. We didn't evolve from modern apes... modern apes and humans both evolved from a common ancestor. The human/ape common ancestor shares an ancestor with monkeys. Are we related to monkeys? Most certainly. Did we evolve from them? Nope... and scientific consensus has never been that we did.

 

[ZedMikey]

Actually, after years of testing Dr Kenyon reversed his original thought on biochemical evolution and showed that life could not have come out of the primordial ooze without outside help. The theory has been tested, but it has failed the test in several places, but we already had that thread :D

Nice try, but that isn't evolution. That's abiogensis. Life from non-life has nothing to do with the theory of evolution.

 

[CrustyJeep]

Most high school biology teachers have a degree in science, and fully understand the theory

Most high school math teachers have a degree in math, and they can't agree on what 10/5(2+3) equals :shaking:

 

[ZedMikey]

Most high school biology teachers have a degree in science, and fully understand the theory, then they teach the theory of man evolving from apes, It was taught that way and I think you both know that, but are dancing around the subject.

Undergraduate science degree (even in biology) =/= fully understanding the theory of evolution. Most high school biology teachers don't have an advanced degree in anything except possibly education.

Humans DID evolve from apes! We are apes! We did not evolve from modern apes... and we did not evolve from monkeys.

And the point is that it doesn't matter how it is taught in grade school... grade school teachers are not scientists. I don't care if every grade school teach in the country says humans evolved from 8 legged flying bunnies. That doesn't mean the theory of evolution says anything of the sort.

 

[CrustyJeep]

I don't care if every grade school teach in the country says humans evolved from 8 legged flying bunnies. That doesn't mean the theory of evolution says anything of the sort.

You gotta admit though, eight legged flying bunnies would be darn cool, and darn tasty :D

 

[ZedMikey]

As far as man made global warming, there isn't enough evidence to show how much we attribute to it, again there are hundreds of credible sites for both sides, I have read both arguments, and honestly niether one impacts me, and I don't lean either way, I just think there is too much money on the one side and political leaning to take it seriously.

Would you mind linking some of these credible sites that say we aren't a major factor in the current changing climate?

 

[ZedMikey]

You gotta admit though, eight legged flying bunnies would be darn cool, and darn tasty :D

Be careful... they are 8-legged flying bunnies with 2-inch talons and nasty sharp pointy teeth!

 

[CrustyJeep]

Be careful... they are 8-legged flying bunnies with 2-inch talons and nasty sharp pointy teeth!

Ohhh, let me guess, you figured all that out with half a skull, three teeth, a pelvis, only 2 complete "legs", right? Where's the missing link, huh?

 

[ZedMikey]

Ohhh, let me guess, you figured all that out with half a skull, three teeth, a pelvis, only 2 complete "legs", right? Where's the missing link, huh?

Nah... I just found a tooth in my backyard. That's all I needed.

 

[ZedMikey]

Really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_human_evolution

I know it's your favorite source and all but there ya go. :D

That's actually a really good break down of the timeline. Nice link.

 

[Gibby1]

Yes. Evolutionary theory has been tested repeatedly and shown to be an accurate representation of the data. If you would like, feel free to post some links to where it has been refuted, and I will gladly take a look at them and respond to those claims.

And again, you need to try using factually accurate sources of information if you think the overwhelming consensus of the scientific community regarding global climate change has been anything but consistent since the early 70s. I've been over this before on here.

You are so full of crap about evoluationary theory.Why do you think that after hundreds of years it's STILL a theory? Because they CANNOT prove it yet they teach it like it's fact.

There is no scientific consensus on what we now call climate change otherwise we wouldn't be having these discussions, over and over. Not to mention the intentionally falsified data...

These are the points that Jaydog is making. Our schools have for years and continue to teach our kids that these and undeniable facts, not possible theories. Yes, they still want to teach our kids that we evolved from Monkeys (maybe you don't have kids and haven't seen what they teach) but that we're still searching for that missing link that must exist because it's necessary to support the theory. The teach the global warming (now called climate change) is an undeniable truth and that it's cause because we're all such bad people. These are politically and socially motivated points of view. You should hear what grade school kids are being taught. It's not being taught as possible explanations, but as hard fact and that, is simply not true.

 

[CrustyJeep]

You are so full of crap about evoluationary theory.Why do you think that after hundreds of years it's STILL a theory? Because they CANNOT prove it yet they teach it like it's fact.

Of course it's "still a theory". Gravity is "still a theory". And it's taught as a theory, just as it should be, and might I add an extremely rich and studyable theory that is GREAT for teaching people how the scientific method works. And what happens when lots of people study a rich and complex theory? It gets better, and better understood. For some reason I feel like you prefer it not be taught or studied at all.

There is no scientific consensus on what we now call climate change otherwise we wouldn't be having these discussions, over and over. Not to mention the intentionally falsified data...

Same thing as with evolution. It's a complex theory that needs to be studied. I suppose you'd like that to stop too, right?

 

[Gibby1]

Of course it's "still a theory". Gravity is "still a theory". And it's taught as a theory, just as it should be, and might I add an extremely rich and studyable theory that is GREAT for teaching people how the scientific method works. And what happens when lots of people study a rich and complex theory? It gets better, and better understood. For some reason I feel like you prefer it not be taught or studied at all.

Same thing as with evolution. It's a complex theory that needs to be studied. I suppose you'd like that to stop too, right?

Crusty, evolution, the big bang therory, climate change etc, are not taught to our kids at theories.

 

[CrustyJeep]

Crusty, evolution, the big bang therory, climate change etc, are not taught to our kids at theories.

Whatever you say :flipoff: