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<blockquote data-quote="Horus" data-source="post: 1077240" data-attributes="member: 17219"><p>This is a really good conversation. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /> </p><p></p><p>I guess I fit right in with the in between group. Like I said I've only been into it for two or three years but I'm out wheelin at least 2.5 times a month. I've found I like the work parties so you will see me there in the future. </p><p></p><p>One thing I would like to point out is though I can see that the big tire/power buggies are capable of hogging out a trail like the Busy does not mean all the buggy drivers are using them like that. I have been in groups with a couple huge buggies and they were the easiest on the trail. They just brought the rpm slightly off idle and crawled right over sections that had rigs like mine bucking around and spinning the tires. I've seen the best driving AND the most reckless disregard for the trail come from both big buggies and open/open moderate build rigs. </p><p></p><p>I think trails get torn up by the drivers more than by the monster rigs. But I can see how you could get bored and hence creative on the trail with a buggie. </p><p></p><p>As far as the old school / new school thing goes I'm 29. Most of the people I run into out there are cool but when it comes to the older guys the thing that gets me is this mentality that if you don't drive an old CJ you shouldn't be on the trail. I run a ZJ ( probably the largest rig you should try to fit on these trails out here and my body sure shows it:redneck: ) and sure I catch crap for it. Well, I catch crap until the group realizes what I can do with it anyway. The Yotas, Samis, XJs, TJ-YJs, etc are all cool but too often have I been completely cold shouldered by older dudes in the flat fenders. By that I mean I've been in a group dragging a really broken rig off the trail and with daylight almost gone, temperature dropping fast and only a quick winch pull to get moving again ( no working winch in front of broken rig, ) watched as a group of flat fenders saddle up and drive off the trail, through the woods and around us because they would not help " A bunch of idiot kids in soccer mom rigs. " We were five ZJs almost all locked on 33 inch + tires. It really seems to me the older crowd actively does not want to be cool with the younger crowd. In my experience this leads the younger crowd to make their own rules. So the younger crowd make their own rules as the magazines are showing them pictures of buggies turning around in sewer pipes and telling them you ain't nuthin unless your building a front HP 60.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Horus, post: 1077240, member: 17219"] This is a really good conversation. :D I guess I fit right in with the in between group. Like I said I've only been into it for two or three years but I'm out wheelin at least 2.5 times a month. I've found I like the work parties so you will see me there in the future. One thing I would like to point out is though I can see that the big tire/power buggies are capable of hogging out a trail like the Busy does not mean all the buggy drivers are using them like that. I have been in groups with a couple huge buggies and they were the easiest on the trail. They just brought the rpm slightly off idle and crawled right over sections that had rigs like mine bucking around and spinning the tires. I've seen the best driving AND the most reckless disregard for the trail come from both big buggies and open/open moderate build rigs. I think trails get torn up by the drivers more than by the monster rigs. But I can see how you could get bored and hence creative on the trail with a buggie. As far as the old school / new school thing goes I'm 29. Most of the people I run into out there are cool but when it comes to the older guys the thing that gets me is this mentality that if you don't drive an old CJ you shouldn't be on the trail. I run a ZJ ( probably the largest rig you should try to fit on these trails out here and my body sure shows it:redneck: ) and sure I catch crap for it. Well, I catch crap until the group realizes what I can do with it anyway. The Yotas, Samis, XJs, TJ-YJs, etc are all cool but too often have I been completely cold shouldered by older dudes in the flat fenders. By that I mean I've been in a group dragging a really broken rig off the trail and with daylight almost gone, temperature dropping fast and only a quick winch pull to get moving again ( no working winch in front of broken rig, ) watched as a group of flat fenders saddle up and drive off the trail, through the woods and around us because they would not help " A bunch of idiot kids in soccer mom rigs. " We were five ZJs almost all locked on 33 inch + tires. It really seems to me the older crowd actively does not want to be cool with the younger crowd. In my experience this leads the younger crowd to make their own rules. So the younger crowd make their own rules as the magazines are showing them pictures of buggies turning around in sewer pipes and telling them you ain't nuthin unless your building a front HP 60. [/QUOTE]
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