Who Wants To Know How To Get Rid Of The Busywild Restriction

[mud4funtoy]

Because of many phone calls from 4 wheelers all over the state, I logged on to take a look for my self.
The PNW replaced me because I fought things like this. I fought everything some say I fought to much. I don't care I'm not bitter over it anymore. This is a ridiculous rule. The Busy wild has been there more than 30 years. How is vehicle length going to change what has already happened to those trees.
I have stayed quiet now for a long while. Your war should not be with him or the PNW. You are lucky they are willing to share this info with non supportive members. I feel that Gibby is trying his best, DNR is ruthless and will not be happy until we have no place to play. You watch what she has planned for that rock she flew in by helicopter. Its not to fill the holes, She will use it to build hard pan go a round's for the bad areas. What do you think will happen to all the fun places on the busy once all those go a rounds are established ? She will slowly close it off piece by piece leaving hard pan to wheel on. Why does she care about width and length ? She's thinking ahead of you. She's thinking of the new trees the ones next to the hard pan trail. Her agenda has always been the same. I have only met 1 DNR person that was Honest and truthful all the rest are blowing smoke up our asses.

Now for all of you who ***** and moan and write mile long rebuttals to people that have no power to do anything about what your *****ing about !
Nancy needs her job we all need our jobs. The only way you are going to get rid of this rule is to make her life uncomfortable. The only voice you have is the is the pnw's and there volunteers. They give there lives to there sport. With out them there would be no Elbe. But that does not make them the only voice.
YOU HAVE A VOICE, That park belongs to everyone. Maybe DNR is not aware that their a lot of users that will be excluded or maybe they know but don't care because you have never done anything about what you dis agree about and feel it is OK to exclude you

IF YOU REALLY WANT THIS RULE TO GO AWAY THEN MAKE ALOT OF NOISE !
GET ALL YOUR FAMILY, YOUR FRIENDS, YOUR NIEGHORS INVLOVED, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, TAKE SOME INTITIVE FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHTS.

Starting from the top and working your way down EMAIL and CALL these people.
Let them know what you think. Let them know that you are being discriminated against, that you have used that trail for years and now are being told that you cant go there any more. MAKE ENOUGH NOISE WITH HER BOSSES AND SHE WILL HEAR YOUR VOICE.
I fought with DNR for 8 years, I know this will work because it has before.
Don't be rude or disrespectful that will get you no where. If all of you don't come together and fight for your rights then you will have none and no right to *****. You should email this message to everyone you know, if we get 100 - 500 people to call and email that will be enough. Every person that gets involved in this needs to take the time to contact everyone of these people below. Not one ALL.

I am sorry to all my friends out there that may be upset with me over this, I spent a good amount of my life, building, fixing and fighting for that park and now I am being told that the vehicle that i used to fix many of those trails and help build most of those bridges is to long to be on the Busy Wild It has gone up and down the busy wild probaly more than a thousand times. it is my favorite place to go wheeling.

If all of you come together and this does not work . We can take other avenues , No need to make this ugly till we half to.

When you call them ask them what they think a ORV park is or should allow, Talk to them about your sport, Tell them how you like having a legal place to go that can be maintained environmentally. Tell them about your clubs, families kids and how 4 wheeling has impacted your life and your children's lives. 4 Wheeling is a family sport. Tell them how much time you spend up there. Tell them how this might impact the local community. Take away the busy and how many people will use Elbe hills orv park Ask them why it is not ok to rub the tree's , Why after 30 years is it no longer ok to touch these trees with your vehicle. Ask them how it compares to the 1000's of leave trees they leave after they clear cut and they get blown down and is the purpose of it. Ask them what there agenda is for that park. BE SURE TO MAKE YOUR CONVERSATION FRIENDLY, IT WILL GET YOU A LOT FURTHER..




Doug Sutherland
Commissioner of Public Lands
Department of Natural Resources
P.O. Box 47001,
Olympia, WA 98504-7001

Phone: (360) 902-1004
FAX: (360) 902-1775
Email [email protected]


Kelly Bast Commissioner's Assistant [email protected]
360-902-1001


Bonnie Bunning Executive Dir. of Policy and Administration [email protected]
360-902-1104


Bruce Mackey Lands Steward
[email protected]
360-902-2122


Michael Grayum Government & Community Relations Director [email protected]
360-902-1015

Gretchen Nicholas Land Management [email protected]
360-902-1360


Lenny Young Forest Practices [email protected]
360-902-1744


Randy Acker South Puget Sound [email protected]
360-825-1631



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PLEASE DO NOT HATE ON MY FRIENDS IN THE Pacific Northwest 4 Wheel Drive association. Most all of them are wonderful people to be around excluding a few. There is always a few rotten apples in every basket, They do not represent the whole organization. Most of them are spending there free time working for all of us. They are doing there very best. They struggle to get for everyone places to take our kids, friends and family's a place to enjoy. They are responsible for building and maintaining most all the legal trails out there. You don't half to agree with them all the time, but if you care about the trail system you wheel on then you should do what you can to help them out when it comes to work parties.

We are Americans, Millions of people have died so we could halve are right to freedom of speech and our own opinion. USE IT !

Reply to this post with your results from your hard work fighting for your rights . Share your conversations so we can work together to make a difference.

This is not a place to continue to ***** . It is only a place for results.

We all will be watching this to see how long it will take to get that rule changed.
WHEN WE ALL START FIGHTING TOGHETHER WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

1 person is not as loud as 1000 or 5000 or 10,000 Just imagine the impact you could make if you get everyone you know that 4 Wheels or likes the people who 4 wheel to spend the next 2 - 3 weeks calling and emailing every day , I bet it will only take a couple of days. I personally have 500 plus contacts how many do all of you have ? GETUR DONE !

Go to this web site to see when we have won
http://www.nw-wheelers.com/forum/index.php
Or
www.mudslingers4x4.com

 

[mud4funtoy]

I snagged this from the other post this is ridiculous lets stand up for rights and our friends rights

Originally Posted by Gibby
Wheelbase

*From the factory manuals:
1979-83 short bed 101.77
1979-83 long bed 110.24 **
1984-89 4Runner 102.95
1984-88 xtra cab 112.20**
1984-88 single cab short bed 102.95
1984-88 single cab long bed 112.20 **
1984-88 double cab real short bed 112.20 **
1990-91 4Runner, 2 door 103.3
1990-95 4Runner, 4 door 103.3
1989-95 short bed 103.3
1989-95 long bed 122.5*
1989-95 xtra cab 122.5*
1995.5-04 Tacoma 105.3 and 121.9**
1996-92 4Runner (taco based) 105.3
** over the size limit.
I had this sent to me a while ago. 109" still includes an AWFUL lot of Toyota's


Nice math Dale, 50% is not "an AWFUL lot"
___________________________________________
-Shane

 

[mud4funtoy]

This is the email I sent to my 500 plus contacts.

Nancy Barker is the DNR repersentitive incharge of Elbe hills orv park. She is implementing a rule that will limit many users including my self from being on the busy wild trail. Even if you don't use the trail system please help us fight for it.

Her new rule is width limit 82 " and this is the real grabber Wheel base limit 109 "
go out and measure your rig.

She plans on writing tickets to the people who use that trail that are over the measurements.And she will do it ! I need all of you to get involved with this. This will only continue to get worse.
I do alot to keep our sport fun. IF this rule is not stopped I will not be able to go to my favorite trail and have fun. We have a great group we can make a impact
here is my post from Nw - Wheelers Forum
Who Wants To Know How To Get Rid Of The Busywild Restriction

 

[wheeler4x4samota]

i understand the width restriction just because of the bridge its 82" wide but the wheelbase issue is what we need to work on the trees are going to get rubbed no matter what and it doesnt change the value of the tree at the mill

 

[wkndtoy]

wow....

After a long time of lurking and looking.. I find this thread to have a ton of value. I agree fully on the above post and the content is right one the money!!

 

[TreeClimber]

We've met. You posted up a need help notice, and I came on a Sunday because it's my day off and towed a trailer thru the Busy during a bridge building. Obviously your passions haven't abated. Glad to see you're still around.

 

[pokey]

All I can say is WOW just WOW Steve. I guess its easier to tell people what they want to hear and not what they need to hear. All I can say folks is follow Gibbys lead Hes on the right track with Elbe. I may add some more to this later but for now I am just baffeled as to why we are at this point

 

[Gibby1]

i understand the width restriction just because of the bridge its 82" wide but the wheelbase issue is what we need to work on the trees are going to get rubbed no matter what and it doesnt change the value of the tree at the mill

This is a little more of the "don't understand what's going on issue." No offense intended, I just need to make an example here of what people don't know or misunderstand.

None of the trees along side the trail will be going to ANY mill. The concern is that if the tree or root structure is damaged, the tree will die and create a safety issue since it is more likely to fall down or loose large branches on people and vehicles below. That's one reason and one of the primary reasons. Saving a tree has nothing to do with it's timber value.

A second reason is because losing the trees alongside the trail WIDENs the trail and effectively destroys the trail for those that want the tight trails and for the enjoyment of the SWB vehicles which STILL dominate the trail systems.

The third reason is of course the environmental value. It's not about losing one tree, but if the environmental groups see the trees along our trails being killed by careless action, it just puts wind in their sails. Then they start moaning to the folks at the DNR and others about the damage being caused by the ORVs and these groups ARE hugh and rich. When they talk, stuff DOES happen. This is the political game that 99% of you just don't understand. Look at how much press the infamous mirror cutout caused up on the Naches trail.

Us large vehicle people still do not represent anywhere near the majority of the people using the trails. I drive what many consider to be a HUGE rig so I'm on the side of the large vehicle, built vehicle owners.

 

[CrustyJeep]

Saving a tree has nothing to do with it's timber value.

That's ridiculous. That land is all about the timber value.

Which can also be directed at the OP. Of course the DNR is concerned with timber value. I suspect that may have something to do with NATURAL RESOURCES...

 

[Jaydog]

That's ridiculous. That land is all about the timber value.

Which can also be directed at the OP. Of course the DNR is concerned with timber value. I suspect that may have something to do with NATURAL RESOURCES...

I heard that the ORV trails are a designated corridor in which the trees are not included in timber sales, but I could be wrong.

 

[GRNTACO]

I heard that the ORV trails are a designated corridor in which the trees are not included in timber sales, but I could be wrong.

They didn't follow that rule at Tahuya.

 

[68jeepsterkid]

BS

That's ridiculous. That land is all about the timber value.

Which can also be directed at the OP. Of course the DNR is concerned with timber value. I suspect that may have something to do with NATURAL RESOURCES...

I agree,it all boils down to the almighty "BUCK", it's all driven by an end result!$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, it will all go to the mill,in due time,then we can wheel over the stumps and piles of brush they leave behind and the DNR won't blink an eye at it because that is where their paycheck comes from,whatever,say what you want,their houses are most likely built with tree's their past family protected from horse and buggies getting too close to the branches at one point.:stirpot:

 

[skrause]

They didn't follow that rule at Tahuya.

Because there's no such rule. :haha:

 

[Roccrawler]

I back you 100% Steve.

I will email and call

thanks,

 

[Gibby1]

That's ridiculous. That land is all about the timber value.

Which can also be directed at the OP. Of course the DNR is concerned with timber value. I suspect that may have something to do with NATURAL RESOURCES...

Crusty WRONG. The trees along side the trail which are part of the trail corridor have NOTHING to do with timber value or timber of any sort. They are NOT considered part of the harvestable timber as soon as they are made part of the trail. If we go OFF the trail corridor then and ONLY then do our actions have ANY impact on timber value.

 

[mud4funtoy]

I heard that the ORV trails are a designated corridor in which the trees are not included in timber sales, but I could be wrong.

Thats why they logged more than 70 % of that trail system

 

[Gibby1]

Because there's no such rule. :haha:

Yes there is Shane. As far as timber sales go, the trees along the trail corridor are considered DEAD to the DNR.

That doesn't mean that the loggers won't take them when they log anyway, we've seen that happen. Not just affecting ORV trails. The horse people at Elbe had a huge problem where they worked with the DNR to mark off the trails and trees that were to be untouched. They even spent time with the logging company to make sure that all the untouchable areas were propertly flagged. The loggers on site just cut it all down anyway and didn't even clean up the mess when they were done. They're currently fighting with the DNR against that logging company. By contract, the logging company was to maintain the existing trail system for the horse people and clean up any mess they made that affected their trail system. They cut and ran, leaving the horse people with a TON of work to do to even make their trails passable again.

 

[CHOP SHOP]

[originally posted by gibby
Us large vehicle people still do not represent anywhere near the majority of the people using the trails. I drive what many consider to be a HUGE rig so I'm on the side of the large vehicle, built vehicle owners.[/QUOTE]

dale please stop refering to your rig as huge. it is clearly NORMAL. its a toyota on 38s. the small rigs you keep refering to are not the majority (imo). I see mostly toyotas and jeep cherokes (always beat) and jeeps on this trail. I just dont understand. all the longer rigs ive seen work killer at elbe, thats why i stretched mine (112). now my truck is not legal to run the trail its built for. but get this, my big mud truck (dale you know this truck,orange chev) has full width rockwells, 47 inch tires, nasty motor, was assembled at 109 inches like a stock blazer. just for giggles i threw a tape on it, 82 inches from bulge to bulge. seems i will have to run elbe in this truck since my wheeler is not welcome anymore. just food for thought.

 

[KarlVP]

I heard that the ORV trails are a designated corridor in which the trees are not included in timber sales, but I could be wrong.

Yes and no. Ask the equestrians about that. They did lots of work on thier trails and the timber companies were supposed to restore them after they were done with thier work.

But if the DNR wanted to sell that timber, I'm sure they could find a way.

 

[wkndtoy]

the same old game...

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"This is the political game that 99% of you just don't understand. Look at how much press the infamous mirror cutout caused up on the Naches trail."


How many of you remember the "old Naches trail" (pre-1987), before the forest service revised the trail with a dozer and tons rock. Again a politcal game we lost, and we will continue to lose unless you understand what "mud4funtoy" is saying. The current naches trail is the model for all trails in washington. Think about that????