Questions about Naches

[gotrocks]

So my wife and I are heading up to the Naches area in a couple weeks with some friends and we've never wheeled there before. I've got a SN-Fab buggy and my buddy is driving a dove tailed FJ-40 on 42's. Obviously we aren't street legal and I've heard that you have to be street legal to wheel on the FS roads. We want to head up to Funny Rocks and do a little bit of crawling and neither one of us wants to be harassed by the forest service cops or sheriff.

So my questions are,

Are we going to get hassled for not being street legal?
How many trails would be fun with our buggies?
How dusty will it be up there this time of year?
Where can I get trail map to find the good areas?

 

[jeepmauler]

1. I never have been in the past as long as youre tabs are current and you have a spark arrestor/baffled muffler
2.NONE
3.Dusty as FAWK:puke:
4 Forrest service or search the WWW

 

[gotrocks]

I don't have tabs. ITS A BUGGY. Thats why I'm asking. I do throw on my plates from my FJ40 but at the moment I don't have any hood or anything that makes it look like a FJ. I do have a muffler now whether or not they can see that its a spark arrestor is another question.

You MUST have a spark arrestor thats a #1 thing that they ticket for. any kind of straight thru type muffler will not fly it maust be baffeled. you can always add a supertrap to the end of your exhaust to make it legal

 

[pokey]

Yes you have to be street legal or you "could" get ticketed on the FS roads. A lt of the buggie crowd camps up on the 1701 road so their right across the road from the trail to the rocks. All of the trails have their fun some are easy and some more challenging depending on your rig and abilitys. Yes it will be dusty take masks or bandanas. You can order a map from the yakima sheriffs office or buy one at whistling jacks , squaw rock or the ranger station in Naches.

http://www.pan.co.yakima.wa.us/sheriff/orv.htm

 

[Binder]

1. I never have been in the past as long as youre tabs are current and you have a spark arrestor/baffled muffler
2.NONE
3.Dusty as FAWK:puke:
4 Forrest service or search the WWW

X2...
You could also get a map at a ranger station or buy green trails maps at a sporting goods store.

 

[gotrocks]

Here's some pictures of the rigs to get an idea of legality.

 

[Not Jobless]

You need at minimum, ORV tags and a proper muffler or spark arrestor.

What the law states and what they enforce are two completely different things.

Go have fun!

 

[TreeClimber]

So my questions are,

Are we going to get hassled for not being street legal?
How many trails would be fun with our buggies?
How dusty will it be up there this time of year?
Where can I get trail map to find the good areas?

1 Probably not. Have valid drivers lic, valid vehicle plates, and stay off the paved roads (Hwy 410, and FS rd 19)

2 the upper portions of Kaner Flats is the funnest of the trail sections. Rocky Saddle is probably the second funnest.

3 really, really, really dusty

4 if you live/work in Bremerton area, you can borrow my map and take it up to Kinkos and copy it.

That said, why wheel Naches, when Rimrock is soooo damn close? RR is two or three times the fun (except for the rock areas for buggies)

 

[gotrocks]

I live in Walla Walla. My buddy lives in Seattle and is keeping his FJ at my house and I'll be towing both of them up there. I don't mind wheeling somewhere else I just don't know the area and thought I'd ask a few questions.

I've been down to browns camp and I was hoping it was an area like that. If Naches and the Rimrock area is dusty as hell this time of year we might head down the the Tillamook State Forest. Hopefully it wouldn't be as dusty down there.

 

[dirk]

did someone say map?

The Cle Elum Ranger District has an online version of their map:
Manastash Ridge MAP

 

[Mark m.]

1. I never have been in the past as long as youre tabs are current and you have a spark arrestor/baffled muffler
2.NONE
3.Dusty as FAWK:puke:
4 Forrest service or search the WWW

I agree with all of these but #1 Even if you have tabs or orv and the cops see you on a forest service road you will get tickets in those rigs.
Like pokey said FS road 1701 at mile marker 11 you can camp and the trail to the rocks is just across the FS road.

 

[jeepmauler]

To be honest I've only ever run into the LEOS at the rocks and ALL they ever do is look at the Supertrapp and check tabs then wander off. We camp up on Rock creek towards the top so not much road driving.

 

[Mark m.]

I agree with all of these but #1 Even if you have tabs or Orv and the cops see you on a forest service road you will get tickets in those rigs.
Like pokey said FS road 1701 at mile marker 11 you can camp and the trail to the rocks is just across the FS road.

This is just my experience the last couple years over there with the same sheriff.

 

[Binder]

For the legality it's kind of a crap shoot. It's definately illegal to drive a buggy on a FS road but like Jobless said what's legal and what's enforced are usually two different things. Been checked on the FS roads for tabs and spark arrestor and good to go. Also been told not to drive on Rock creek road. Been told it's OK to drive up Barber springs. Rock creek and Barber springs is the same road from opposite sides.:confused:

 

[Money Mark]

I think the officers just don't like Samurai buggies.....:redneck:

 

[chevota1]

a couple of friends and i are heading over in two weeks

 

[Mark m.]

I think the officers just don't like Samurai buggies.....:redneck:

Or pipe buggys:D

 

[pokey]

Or people that cant read:haha:

 

[Murkman]

For the legality it's kind of a crap shoot. It's definately illegal to drive a buggy on a FS road but like Jobless said what's legal and what's enforced are usually two different things. Been checked on the FS roads for tabs and spark arrestor and good to go. Also been told not to drive on Rock creek road. Been told it's OK to drive up Barber springs. Rock creek and Barber springs is the same road from opposite sides.:confused:

Most of the road up from The Manastash side untill you get to the 1701 is private property. Therefore you can run almost anything you want. Also at about the top where you get on the 1701 is the boundry between the Cle Elum District/ Kititas county and Naches District/Yakima county.

 

[PORTER]

What dates you going to be up there? A group of us will be up there in a few weeks and can show you around. In the past I have been ticketed for no ORV tabs on Mill Creek Road going up to the rocks. Since aquiring a set of ORV tabs I have not had a prob with law inforcement. I also drive an S&N buggy, as do most in my group.

 

[gas is on the right]

hey hey hey!!! come on be nice you guys

I think the officers just don't like Samurai buggies.....:redneck:

..........

 

[gotrocks]

How did you acquire ORV tabs for your buggy. I haven't really looked into this much but I know Trevor just said he puts a plate on his rigs and hasn't had really any problems. Like I said earlier I just usually just put my 76 FJ40 plate on the back and hope for the best. I usually run on county roads and FS roads around where I live and thankfully haven't been harassed yet but that could change pretty quick once i came upon a patrolman.

 

[dirk]

How did you acquire ORV tabs for your buggy. I haven't really looked into this much but I know Trevor just said he puts a plate on his rigs and hasn't had really any problems. Like I said earlier I just usually just put my 76 FJ40 plate on the back and hope for the best.

If you had a ***le from a vehicle (CJ, TJ, YJ, fj40, etc) you could go down to the DOL and request to license the vehicle as an ORV. ORV tabs are cheaper. You would be legal to run the trails, but would not be legal to run the FS roads. If you do get pulled over on the FS road, I think they can only write you a ticket for operating an ORV on a road...mudflap, fender flare, bumper height, no insurance tickets would not apply.

Good Luck :beer:

 

[gotrocks]

Thanks I'll look into this. I have a FJ frame and vin that I'm going to try and use to register my buggy. I if it comes down to it I'll chop off the vin and weld it to my chassis. I know its not totally legal but I plan on having FJ skins one of these days when I get motivation.

 

[Binder]

Thanks I'll look into this. I have a FJ frame and vin that I'm going to try and use to register my buggy. I if it comes down to it I'll chop off the vin and weld it to my chassis. I know its not totally legal but I plan on having FJ skins one of these days when I get motivation.

This is how I do it......Likely they will never even look for your vin. Just go down and buy tabs for the FJ then put them on the buggy. Illegal, probabaly but unethical, no.

 

[jeepmauler]

I would NOT transfer the VIN.....just asking for trouble.Get the ORV plate/tag under the FJ ***le,put the tag on the buggy and LET IT BE.

My buggy is a 90 cherokee sport.....

 

[CHOP SHOP]

I would NOT transfer the VIN.....just asking for trouble.Get the ORV plate/tag under the FJ ***le,put the tag on the buggy and LET IT BE.

My buggy is a 90 cherokee sport.....

with no vin (legit or not) if its ever stolen or impounded for ANY reason, you cant prove ownership to get it released. but you can always out bid folks like me to get it back!:beer:

 

[CHOP SHOP]

find an old toyota being parted out and ask if it has the origanal vin or a WSP one. if its ever been stolen and tags removed, WSP will relocate it with a nice green vin tag that is riveted on with normal rivets, not hex rivets. 2 out of three toyotas have been ripped off sometime or another, its not hard to find one thats been through inspection and had the vin put in the door jamb. buy the tag and ***le, rivet the tag on your buggy, and when stopped (if ever) just say, "I took it to WSP and they inspected it and put a vin on it right here, and said have a nice day. looks like every kit car registartion/tag out there.

and PS use as old a ***le as you can find so you dont have emmisions probs.:awesomework:

if you do ORV tag it, only buy tags once just to get the registration sticker, then get your ORV tags in oregon if your down there, good for 2 years and $10. oregon kicks ass, no computers, just hand written forms for tags.:cool:

 

[dirk]

if you do ORV tag it, only buy tags once just to get the registration sticker, then get your ORV tags in oregon if your down there, good for 2 years and $10. oregon kicks ass, no computers, just hand written forms for tags.:cool:

Is the OR ORV tag valid for WA? Wouldn't he still have to buy WA ORV tags each year? :scratchhead:

 

[CHOP SHOP]

Is the OR ORV tag valid for WA? Wouldn't he still have to buy WA ORV tags each year? :scratchhead:

all my bikes have been tagged in WA and have the white registration number sticker. since then I have bought tags at the dunes, I believe its the same for a forest permit. WA OR ID MO?