I have been part of many of these debates for years that is what you do not understand I grew up in the background listening to these debates attending pnw4wda meetings since I was 8 all thes topics are old but if you haven't noticed there are still all the same problems there were 12 years ago except the problem tire was 36" and our club was the outlaws and flowmaster's were to loud and our club was wrong for having them and we drove to fast on the trail do not tell me that I do not know what I am talking about I have grown up in these problems it has been 14 years since I started doing this and as long as I can remember it has been the same problems. Well it is time for some of the old timers to step down and teach the new guys the political side so we can make things happen.