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Help Support Hardline Crawlers :
Tire size at O.R.V parks
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Money Mark
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We are the "public".
just curious? Every year i get a hunting liscence i have to have a permit to park in the national forest. Now they say it goes twards repair on thier roads. Is this the same funding that trail users get for repairs?
or is it a seprate deal?
Tire size is what you brought up, isnt it on the heading of the thread
or is it a seprate deal?
Tire size is what you brought up, isnt it on the heading of the thread
OK some ideas...
- Get involved! Attend and photograph every clean up / trail maintenance you can. I would also especially suggest that you attend non-4x4 clean up and trail maintenance events. Greenies are people to, and if they see more of us out helping them keep there trails open I think they will also realiZe we are people to. Its hard to think of the guy in the jeep as an ass hole when he helped you clean your hiking trail head.
- Enforcement. Enforce the rules on the books. I hate to sound like a **** about this, but tickets need to be handed out, and they need to be stiff. If you go off trail and tear up a field, if you get caught I want it to be so painful that you scream and yell to everyone about how much the fine was. Word will get around, be responsible or pay dearly.
- DNR Forest Watch program. They have one down here, maybe DNR has one state wide, I don't know, but it seems to be potentially a way around the "cop didn't see it there fore can't enforce it" issue. NJot sure though... if nothing else, once the LEO and DNR folks get to know you, even if they can't do anything about something that you saw, maybe they can stop over at the offenders house and have a friendly chat.
- Education. I think education is personally used as an excuse a bit to much, but maybe thats me. When people go off trail, they generally know they shouldn't be doing that. At the same time though, education is needed. Try and get into the highschools get your club to work with DNR to get something set up to get to the kids in high scoool before they decide to go party it up in the forest on a weekend. Again, not trying to be a jerk, I partied like crazy, but pick up after yourself... or pay dearly.
- License. This will freak people out, but I think you should have to pass an off road test and get an off road sticker. The state could charge a small fee that would be used specifically for OHV. The test could be simple tread lightly things, with a big emphasis on why we need to tread lightly, and why if they don't, they will pay dearly.
- Pick up the damn trash. When you go out wheeling, make sure its seen that you are stopping and picking up trash along the way. I sometimes will just tie the trash bag off to my bumper so I dont have to keep pulling it out of the truck. It aloso serves another purpose, people see the guy in the ugly yellow FJ picking up trash. One the way out, if you see DNR or a LEO, make a point to stop and ask them where you can get rid of the trash (EVEN IF YOU ALREADY KNOW or are just planning on taking it home). This forces them to see you doing good, they'll appreciate it, and they might even take the trash so you don't have to pay for the extra bag when you get home.
- Media. This is by far the toughest one, and I can't seem to come up with a magic answer for this one. There does seem to be some bias in the media about our sport, but again with the #'s of OHV users growing, the media can't afford to continue to be completely against OHV use, they need the subscribers. Just keep plugging away at them, even if they don't like it, even if they try and play with your words, keep sending them pictures of clean ups, and showing them the good we do. It gets hard to continue saying how bad the OHV crowd is when you continue to see the good they do.
- Photos of the bad. There seems to be this stigmatism that you can't post pictures of some ass hole tearing up a field because if you do the greenies will use it and kill us all in our sleep. I can understand we don't need the bad press, and maybe this is where the ORV Trail Watch forum comes in, but we gotta police these folks. Maybe it needs to be a secret hush hush forum, but some place I could post pics of people breaking the rules so others could find them and have a discussion. Ultimately I think peer pressure (and maybe even some pure pressure), will start fixing some things.
- Get involved! Attend and photograph every clean up / trail maintenance you can. I would also especially suggest that you attend non-4x4 clean up and trail maintenance events. Greenies are people to, and if they see more of us out helping them keep there trails open I think they will also realiZe we are people to. Its hard to think of the guy in the jeep as an ass hole when he helped you clean your hiking trail head.
- Enforcement. Enforce the rules on the books. I hate to sound like a **** about this, but tickets need to be handed out, and they need to be stiff. If you go off trail and tear up a field, if you get caught I want it to be so painful that you scream and yell to everyone about how much the fine was. Word will get around, be responsible or pay dearly.
- DNR Forest Watch program. They have one down here, maybe DNR has one state wide, I don't know, but it seems to be potentially a way around the "cop didn't see it there fore can't enforce it" issue. NJot sure though... if nothing else, once the LEO and DNR folks get to know you, even if they can't do anything about something that you saw, maybe they can stop over at the offenders house and have a friendly chat.
- Education. I think education is personally used as an excuse a bit to much, but maybe thats me. When people go off trail, they generally know they shouldn't be doing that. At the same time though, education is needed. Try and get into the highschools get your club to work with DNR to get something set up to get to the kids in high scoool before they decide to go party it up in the forest on a weekend. Again, not trying to be a jerk, I partied like crazy, but pick up after yourself... or pay dearly.
- License. This will freak people out, but I think you should have to pass an off road test and get an off road sticker. The state could charge a small fee that would be used specifically for OHV. The test could be simple tread lightly things, with a big emphasis on why we need to tread lightly, and why if they don't, they will pay dearly.
- Pick up the damn trash. When you go out wheeling, make sure its seen that you are stopping and picking up trash along the way. I sometimes will just tie the trash bag off to my bumper so I dont have to keep pulling it out of the truck. It aloso serves another purpose, people see the guy in the ugly yellow FJ picking up trash. One the way out, if you see DNR or a LEO, make a point to stop and ask them where you can get rid of the trash (EVEN IF YOU ALREADY KNOW or are just planning on taking it home). This forces them to see you doing good, they'll appreciate it, and they might even take the trash so you don't have to pay for the extra bag when you get home.
- Media. This is by far the toughest one, and I can't seem to come up with a magic answer for this one. There does seem to be some bias in the media about our sport, but again with the #'s of OHV users growing, the media can't afford to continue to be completely against OHV use, they need the subscribers. Just keep plugging away at them, even if they don't like it, even if they try and play with your words, keep sending them pictures of clean ups, and showing them the good we do. It gets hard to continue saying how bad the OHV crowd is when you continue to see the good they do.
- Photos of the bad. There seems to be this stigmatism that you can't post pictures of some ass hole tearing up a field because if you do the greenies will use it and kill us all in our sleep. I can understand we don't need the bad press, and maybe this is where the ORV Trail Watch forum comes in, but we gotta police these folks. Maybe it needs to be a secret hush hush forum, but some place I could post pics of people breaking the rules so others could find them and have a discussion. Ultimately I think peer pressure (and maybe even some pure pressure), will start fixing some things.
Everyone has to pay to go into the national forest. Tabs are for street driving. Hunting and fishing has to pay a rec fee. Why dont we have to pay a ORV fee?Like posted earler it would make alot of revenue, as long as it dosent go to polititions.
High seiara $ goes to the trails
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Why couldn't we charg for both, and have restrictions on them.
Have the ORV/ Have the street legal/ and a combo with restrictions (on roadways of course)
I am a person of both needs, i need my fix on trails, but need to get to work too.
Has this been tryed before???
Have the ORV/ Have the street legal/ and a combo with restrictions (on roadways of course)
I am a person of both needs, i need my fix on trails, but need to get to work too.
Has this been tryed before???
Binder
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Sounds like you guys are trying to think of ways to get the DNR more funding? Something to think about is if you were to succeed the government would just pull more funding from other areas to make up for it. End result is right back where we were only now paying more money out of our own pockets.
was a navy contractor for 4 yrs. worked on carriers all around USA. Live here though. Dbout you seen mine, must be another, never drove mine to work.
I just dont get how we are paying money to park in a forest, another to register a ORV, and another to drive on the road.
So if i go on a trail run, can they fine me cause i have plates, and no ORV registration?
I just dont get how we are paying money to park in a forest, another to register a ORV, and another to drive on the road.
So if i go on a trail run, can they fine me cause i have plates, and no ORV registration?
Binder
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No, if you have plates and current tabs you're good to go.
the only thing i can think of would be to charge for ORV stickers for everyone, road bound or just trails. This would have to eliminate the parking in a forest charge(because we are paying for it).
And requirements for certan trails, like winch needed, ect....
And requirements for certan trails, like winch needed, ect....
