How wide are you

Binder · Oct 18, 2009

BTW the trees at Reiter aren't natural they were planted there by a man.:;

pokey · Oct 18, 2009

98ZJ4X4 said:
Pokey,

The restrictions I was talking about were the ones this thread was about. Tire Width mainly, I agree that the trails need to be properly designed and built and yeah I guess that does include some restrictions of a sort, but that is the nature of the beast. I don't think we are in any kind disagreement.

On second thougth I feel I do need to add this:

There should also be trails that are RESTRICTED to Motorcycles and/or ATV's and the 4x4 should be restricted from them and not allowed to use those trails!

I understand the logic but dont completly agree. There is very limited funding allowed for trails these days and 4x4 trails are the only true trail that is usable by everyone. While were not allowed to use "their" trails why are they allowed to use "ours" I contend that it poor management to build "special" use trails these days when we can all be sharing and thus having more miles of trail to use. There are cases of course due to terrain that dictate motorcycle only and thats fine they work as hard as we do to have "their" trails

pokey · Oct 18, 2009

dirtygoat said:
That's completely retarded... You just said, "Lots of people cant drive and then theres times when a trail just makes you bounce off trees."

I'd bet that most people will agree with me when I say, it's usually the type of driver that does the most damage not the type of rig...

crash said:
I can contest I have seen more damage done due to driver vs. rig.....

Your right theres nothing wrong with trying to pound a square peg into a round hole:eeek: and I am the one thats retarded :haha:

zukkev · Oct 18, 2009

nowires said:
Now that would be cool finding a 10,000 ancers full of rocks

It is posible and has been brought up for discussion. This is what I brought up a long time ago that engineered trails are posible

Stuff like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW4PhDyLPGQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXfFKeTI7q8

Just my thoughts. If you can think of it and get a pic of it. then it is posible:awesomework:

Yup, 10K acres of rock would be

;
Couldn't you have found a vid of the soup bowl that the P/S belt ISN'T squealing???:fawkdancesmiley: I flipped thru a few other vids of this obstacle, and almost every one had a loose P/S belt!!!:haha: I get your point though...:awesomework:

Binder · Oct 18, 2009

nowires said:
It is posible and has been brought up for discussion. This is what I brought up a long time ago that engineered trails are posible

Stuff like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW4PhDyLPGQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXfFKeTI7q8

I don't understand what those two videos have to do with engineered trails?

dirk · Oct 18, 2009

Binder said:
I don't understand what those two videos have to do with engineered trails?

I thought it was 2 examples of natural obstacles that could be reproduced in concrete???

nowires · Oct 18, 2009

dirk said:
I thought it was 2 examples of natural obstacles that could be reproduced in concrete???

Correct

nate8887 · Oct 18, 2009

MY sami is going to be 90 F&R

My flatti is 76 F&R

98ZJ4X4 · Oct 18, 2009

pokey said:
I understand the logic but dont completly agree. There is very limited funding allowed for trails these days and 4x4 trails are the only true trail that is usable by everyone. While were not allowed to use "their" trails why are they allowed to use "ours" I contend that it poor management to build "special" use trails these days when we can all be sharing and thus having more miles of trail to use. There are cases of course due to terrain that dictate motorcycle only and thats fine they work as hard as we do to have "their" trails

Again I think we are in 100% agreement. At Reiter the single track and ATV Trails already exist and should remain as such.

jimpaget · Oct 18, 2009

Their are vehicle specific type trails at Walker, including new motorcycle only trails. However, those were funded by grant funds that we given specifically for that purpose.

We (Rainier Ridge Rams) helped put up bollards to keep other types of vehicles, including ATVs from using the motorcycle only trails.

Pook · Oct 18, 2009

Its only fair to have trails built to challenge specific things. I know there are 4x4 trails out there that bikes and quads just cannot run. Tight winding trails for the bikes aren't the same as a tight winding trail for a 4x4 and at the same time you need everything from beginers stuff up to the extreme for all user groups and anything that can be used by everyone is a bonus.

nowires · Oct 18, 2009

Pook said:
Its only fair to have trails built to challenge specific things. I know there are 4x4 trails out there that bikes and quads just cannot run. Tight winding trails for the bikes aren't the same as a tight winding trail for a 4x4 and at the same time you need everything from beginers stuff up to the extreme for all user groups and anything that can be used by everyone is a bonus.

The problem is we have a small area at Reiter. So if it is going to work for all groups. 90 % of the trails are going to have to be multi use trails. The thing that all of the users need to remember is that we need to come up with a BASIC trail plan as quick as posible, using as much of the ground as we can

98ZJ4X4 · Oct 18, 2009

The_Shocker said:
I think you will have a really hard time getting the bike group to agree to anything for them other than singletrack trails that are for them only.

And that is why I said to leave the single tracks that exist at Reiter alone and keep everything else off them. But I agree that the Multi-User Trails are going to make the most people happy in the long run.

nowires · Oct 18, 2009

The_Shocker said:
I think you will have a really hard time getting the bike group to agree to anything for them other than singletrack trails that are for them only.

Really don't think there is going to be a choice

98ZJ4X4 said:
And that is why I said to leave the single tracks that exist at Reiter alone and keep everything else off them. But I agree that the Multi-User Trails are going to make the most people happy in the long run.

And that is what we need to stay focused on. What makes the most people happy. I think the bikes are working on a deal up Sultan bason so if that comes true. I think the bikes will mostly be out of reiter

Alan · Oct 18, 2009

Hi All:

X2 !!

-Alan

98ZJ4X4 said:
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I am not in favor of any restrictions, but I sure would like to see people use a little more common sense and not tear spots up because they are so pig headed and refuse to use a winch. This is also I believe the cause of so many by-passes being created.

sly-yota · Oct 18, 2009

its not also them not trying to to winch themselfs its thir cheap ass ot buying one, or thinking they can make it instead of turning around.:eeek::looser:

Binder · Oct 18, 2009

Check out page 16 number 8.....

http://www.dnr.wa.gov/Publications/amp_rec_reiter_plng_committee_notes_052009.pdf

sly-yota · Oct 18, 2009

thats so bs. i honestly do not see why there is a limitation? can someone explain this to me? i can kinda see their arguement with width but tire hight??

:eeek: