Drinking and Wheeling

skrause · Nov 5, 2006

Nuzzy said:
Or do people consider that wheeling should be even more strict in it's alcohol tollerance than the laws that govern us on the roads?

Well since you brought that up, what about the no open containers in a motor vehicle law? :flipoff: What makes you guys think it's legal to drink on the trail, just the fact that you're not on a paved road? You're still driving, and drinking still doesn't mix.

Nuzzy · Nov 5, 2006

crash said:
I could not do that--- I would be TANKED :D

You probably shouldn't even smell someone's open beer unless you're back at camp. :haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha:

:D

Ashes · Nov 5, 2006

skrause said:
Well since you brought that up, what about the no open containers in a motor vehicle law? :flipoff: What makes you guys think it's legal to drink on the trail, just the fact that you're not on a paved road? You're still driving, and drinking still doesn't mix.

Thats a good point no matter how you look at it you are still drinking and driving. The laws dont state you have to be on paved city, state or county roads.

84Toyota4x4 · Nov 5, 2006

How about this facet:
The typical male can easily drink a beer an hour and have their body process that alcohol in that time. Therefore, that person should be able to have a beer every hour throughout the day and be deemed lawfully and physically fine to operate a motor vehicle. Would that be considered acceptable? Or do people consider that wheeling should be even more strict in it's alcohol tollerance than the laws that govern us on the roads?

Being lawfully "fine" and physically "fine" to operate a motor vehicle are two different things.

However, I feel that in your circumstance, the answer is still no. Because during that hour that the body is processing and absorbing the alcohol, you are intoxicated to an extent, and only at the end of that hour are you again "normal" in your example. So, by then taking and consuming another beer, you are just raising that level again, so in essence, you are still intoxicated IMO. Especially if you arent joe average that processes one drink per hour which is the rule of thumb, and you drink a little too early, or tell yourself "Im feeling fine, one more wont hurt". Then, after youve already headed down the trail, it starts to effect you more.

To me, this could be fought back and forth all day about how people have done it and nothing went wrong, just the same as people who drive on the road with no seatbelt. It wont make a difference until something DOES go wrong. Then you'll be kicking yourself in the ass - or at least I would be.

~T.J.

crash2 · Nov 5, 2006

Nuzzy said:
You probably shouldn't even smell someone's open beer unless you're back at camp. :haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha:

:D

Hey now---I can handle my drinks--just keep the welder away :flipoff:

Nuzzy · Nov 5, 2006

skrause said:
Well since you brought that up, what about the no open containers in a motor vehicle law? :flipoff: What makes you guys think it's legal to drink on the trail, just the fact that you're not on a paved road? You're still driving, and drinking still doesn't mix.

Excellent point.

And for what it's worth, I certainly didn't mean to imply that I think it's legal to drink on the trail, or that someone has the "right" to. I just brought it up to address the fact that our state law seems to think that some alcohol in the system of a person over 21 is acceptable to a point...

skrause · Nov 5, 2006

84Toyota4x4 said:
Being lawfully "fine" and physically "fine" to operate a motor vehicle are two different things.

For some reason, not sure why... this reminds me of a little incident involving my table saw and a case of beer. I had to rip an inch off a sheet of ply, so I did. I went to place it back where it was gonna go, and it was an inch short.... To this day I'm still not sure what happened....
:wtf: :redneck:

Nuzzy · Nov 5, 2006

crash said:
Hey now---I can handle my drinks--just keep the welder away :flipoff:

Why would I take your welder away? I'd turn it on for you just so you could weld a cup holder onto your boot :clappy::clappy::clappy: Then you could "handle" even more drinks :D

TheMasterbater · Nov 5, 2006

skrause said:
For some reason, not sure why... this reminds me of a little incident involving my table saw and a case of beer. I had to rip an inch off a sheet of ply, so I did. I went to place it back where it was gonna go, and it was an inch short.... To this day I'm still not sure what happened....
:wtf: :redneck:

Thats not the beers fault, thats a desk jockey trying to work with powertools :flipoff: :flipoff:

skrause · Nov 5, 2006

Nuzzy said:
Excellent point.

And for what it's worth, I certainly didn't mean to imply that I think it's legal to drink on the trail, or that someone has the "right" to. I just brought it up to address the fact that our state law seems to think that some alcohol in the system of a person over 21 is acceptable to a point...

Coo. There's some people out there who mistakenly believe that no road = no more laws. Still the fact remains that yes, .08 is ok but drinking WHILE driving is NOT. I'm cool with someone having a beer or two around the campfire then going back out after a while, hell it takes 4-5 GOOD (ie canadian) beers til I even feel it. But those guys who take a case on the trail with them and consume while they go, tend to take it WAY too far....

I'm also getting real sick of picking up their empties... I'd probably get in trouble for beating the **** out of someone on the trail cause they tossed a can out the window in front of me.

skrause · Nov 5, 2006

snwbrdpunk16 said:
Thats not the beers fault, thats a desk jockey trying to work with powertools :flipoff: :flipoff:

No, I'm pretty sure it was beer #10's fault... or mabye #11.... :flipoff: :cheer: I may not be a fancy schmancy finish carpenter like you but I've built lots of **** in my time young padawan, I know what I'm doing. *hic*:flipoff:

spidertoy · Nov 5, 2006

crash said:
I could not do that--- I would be TANKED :D

this is truth :haha::haha::haha:

84Toyota4x4 · Nov 5, 2006

Nuzzy said:
And for what it's worth, I certainly didn't mean to imply that I think it's legal to drink on the trail, or that someone has the "right" to. I just brought it up to address the fact that our state law seems to think that some alcohol in the system of a person over 21 is acceptable to a point...

Id just like to make it clear, that you can STILL get a DUI when your BAC is UNDER the legal limit. The limit is just that, the limit. Anything over, and the law says you shouldnt be driving - and you wont be if caught. However, little joe young could be under the limit, but the alcohol has a larger effect on this person, thus making it unsafe for them to operate the vehicle, thus, DUI.

Basically, you just have to be under the influence, no matter how much. It never says you have to be drunk. It simply states a limit at which NO ONE will be allowed to operate their vehicles.

In even more layman terms, there is no minimum, only a maximum at which we wont tolerate the person to be on the road.

~T.J.

Bunk1 · Nov 5, 2006

Nuzzy said:
Will you have cup holders? :redneck::redneck::redneck:

Nope, But it will have a map light:flipoff:

4xjunkie · Nov 5, 2006

skrause said:
I'm also getting real sick of picking up their empties... I'd probably get in trouble for beating the **** out of someone on the trail cause they tossed a can out the window in front of me.

I won't tell anybody:D

TheMasterbater · Nov 5, 2006

skrause said:
No, I'm pretty sure it was beer #10's fault... or mabye #11.... :flipoff: :cheer: I may not be a fancy schmancy finish carpenter like you but I've built lots of **** in my time young padawan, I know what I'm doing. :flipoff:

Dont ever acuse me of being a carpenter again, i'm a wood butcher. I'm a hack. Nothing quality aboot me, i promise.

skrause · Nov 5, 2006

4xjunkie said:
I won't tell anybody:D

I think the REAL question is... will you help me dispose of the body? :corn: :redneck:

03 CON · Nov 5, 2006

Bunk said:
Nope, But it will have a map light:flipoff:

Cup holders are easy to do!:cool:

Nuzzy · Nov 5, 2006

Bunk said:
Nope, But it will have a map light:flipoff:

I can't wait to see your map light work... :D

TheMasterbater · Nov 5, 2006

O and i'm all for downing a couple gallons of J.D. while on the trail. Makes everyone a better driver. :haha: :haha:

Ok seriously. I HATE seeing ppl drinkin and driving. PERIOD. Too many things can go wrong.

Ashes · Nov 5, 2006

Here I go again, but arn't the large number of beer cans and other litter laying around in the woods just another thing to take into consideration in the whole shutting down areas. I guess I just see drinking and wheeling as possibly becoming a huge factor when people are trying to close down these types of places

4xjunkie · Nov 5, 2006

skrause said:
I think the REAL question is... will you help me dispose of the body? :corn: :redneck:

Just tie him to a tree and disassemble his rig in front of him, of course taking all the nuts and bolts with you, then call your buddy's, and tell them you found a stock pile of parts on trail that needs to be cleared.

MIG'DHORSE · Nov 5, 2006

I personally don't think that the average grown man cannot wheel legit the moment after he finishes his last sip of one beer. Anyone who would disagree needs to drink a beer and chill out.:D I personally wouldn't do it... but that's because I don't have interest in beer when all I'm thinking about is hitting the trail. Anyway, a RESPONSIBLE person won't let 1 or 2 beers slip to 6 or 7, then go driving/wheeling. Someone who has that poor of a sense of responsibility even be driving/wheeling sober! I would fully trust someone's wheeling capability with ONLY a beer in them. Just my opinion.

MIG'DHORSE · Nov 5, 2006

oh... and when it comes to littering... I don't think the two should legitimately be connected. I think that if you drink beer, you don't necessarily litter. If you litter, you don't necessarily drink beer...

but one thing is certain: if you litter then you're an asshole.

I suppose it's the people who enjoy getting blitzed on the trail while driving that also don't respect the place, though. Go figure.

KarlVP · Nov 5, 2006

I don't drink while driving on the trail. While I'm a passenger? Sure, why not. Anyone that knows me, knows I like beer.

Around the campfire is the place to go and get silly. Drinking and driving is illegal, no matter how you look at it, it is against the law. Plus, I don't think I would happy with myself if I knew I hurt someone because I was drinking on the trail. That is the stupedist excuse ever.

This is not to say, that I haven't done it. But I won't do it anymore. Infact, I have been the dude to tell people I am wheeling with that I don't think it's a good idea that we all go out.

Personally, I don't give a **** if you drink and drive on the trail. Even in my group i'm not going to say anything. It is a personal decision and I am all for people doing thier own thing, whatever floats your boat. IF you get caught though, pay the fine. It was your own fault.

4xjunkie · Nov 5, 2006

KarlVP said:
Personally, I don't give a **** if you drink and drive on the trail. Even in my group i'm not going to say anything. It is a personal decision and I am all for people doing thier own thing, whatever floats your boat. IF you get caught though, pay the fine. It was your own fault.

As trail leader you should care, you need to have a set of rules in place.

Comet · Nov 5, 2006

I have never drank and drove my rig. But I have as a passenger once. I won't do it again however because I don't want to encourage the driver to drink and it's illegal to have an open container in the car, even if you're the passenger. Plus, wheeling is enough of a thrill for me that I don't need booze. In fact, I like my senses as sharp as possible when wheeling.

Nuzzy · Nov 5, 2006

4xjunkie said:
As trail leader you should care, you need to have a set of rules in place.

I'm sure he will have that rule for a run he's hosting. :cool:

I took his comment simply that he understands people make their own choices, but as a result of those chioces, he may choose not to wheel with them.

KarlVP · Nov 5, 2006

Nuzzy said:
I'm sure he will have that rule for a run he's hosting. :cool:

I took his comment simply that he understands people make their own choices, but as a result of those chioces, he may choose not to wheel with them.

Yeah, there are a few groups I won't wheel with anymore.

I'm not naming any names because they are respected in the community, but there are a few entire CLUBS that like to go out in the woods and drink and wheel. I won't go with tham anymore. But am I going to say anything? Nope, that is a choice that they make.

If you are boozing it up on one of my runs where I am hosting representing NWW and my Club, you will be asked to leave.