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I'd like to hear everyone's feelings. Now let me preface by saying this topic is limited within the following parameters:


1) At no time is any driving done on a road. Only trail (low range).
2) No driving when sloppy/stumbly drunk. Just talkin about buzz after some beers.


I know many people on here will say absolutely categorically NO. I also know many people who enjoy cracking open a beer on the trail or going on an easy night run after dinner/campfire/beer and before bed. I've wheeled with both types and done both in my lifetime.

I'm hoping this thread doesn't turn into a poo throwing contest :; I'd just like to hear different peoples opinions on why they feel they way they do.


Why are you completely opposed or why do you feel it's ok?
 
I like to think that its ok for someone to have a casual drive through the woods while sipping a beer like you talk about, but the fact remains that for me personally, I have yet for it ever to be seen. One turns into two, two into three, judgment gets impaired, and soon youre too gone.

Now, once again, thats just in my opinion. Ive seen too many times where someone started out with just one beer, but it went on too far. Ive never seen it able to be done "safely". Although, I like to think I could give someone the benefit of the doubt that they could handle themselves and let them go for it at first, but don't think I wouldn't stop you from driving if it went too far. Especially if I'm sharing the trail/road. Like in my line of work, my goal is to go home that night. I couldn't give two ****s about you or your rig once you're drunk and driving anywhere near me because obviously you dont either at that point.

So, I suppose that Im mostly in the "no" crowd. I dont condone drinking and driving in the slightest, but then again, I am law enforcement and have seen nasty things because of it.

~T.J.
 
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Absolutely not, drinking (even a little) and driving simply don't mix. I've seen way too many stupid things happen on the trail, not to mention the road afterwards, because of it. I will not wheel with someone who drinks and gets behind the wheel, and it is not open for debate.



That's my viewpoint. :flipoff:
 
I would say that I am in the "no" crowd. I agree with TJ.

Just an idea, but if everyone is worried about how people see those who go wheeling, and we're try to prove that we are taking precautions to prevent damage to the enviroment, make good choices while wheeling and take responsibilty. Doesn't the idea of drinking and wheeling prove just the opposite? Isn't that just an easy thing for them to hold against us or use as a point to help close down local off road areas? I think it would be enough to convince a lot of people.
 
It's an interesting topic for me. I know my wallet hurts worse afterward if I've been drinking (broken parts/body damage). And I certainly don't need drinking to enjoy my time on the trail...

But time and time again, I've seen people who are normally deamed very responsible family members of society make the decision to drink while on the trail. There must be some draw towards doing it... Is it because they know driving in that manner on roads is not acceptable, so they bring it to the trail where they feel accidents would be limited to bruised egos?

I can't really explain why I have done it before and what the draw was... Maybe it's because I have lived my life breaking very few rules and this is a way to be "bad", but still in a somewhat controlled environment...

I don't know. Like I say, I've done it before and had a blast. But I also have grown older and have seen where others have created their non-tolerant views.
 
I think that TJ hit the nail on the head, I for one, dont like to run the risk of getting run over/rammed, or seeing a friend get fubar'd cause they wanted to enjoy a "little liquid refreshment" and couldnt stop at JUST ONE.

now web wheelin's a little different, theonly thing that I might goof up is my keyboard, and thats not too bad at all :redneck:
 
Ashes said:
Doesn't the idea of drinking and wheeling prove just the opposite? Isn't that just an easy thing for them to hold against us or use as a point to help close down local off road areas? I think it would be enough to convince a lot of people.
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Hello nail, meet hammer.
 
Aww, I felt good ther for a minute when someone agreed with me...

Then my girl one-upped me, haha.

~T.J.
 
I say NO. Once you had "A" beer you are done for the night, park your rig.

I am always thinking ahead, when things go bad, like major breakage, some gets hurt really bad, or being stuck out in the woods half the night( been there), or the weather turns to dangerous conditions. I would like to think that everyone I am wheeling with, is at the top of there game, if something should happen. Relying on someone that might be decisioned impaired, could cause serious problems. I prefer just not to take the chance on the what if.

Thats just me and my .02

I see it all the time. Drinking and wheeling.

Back at camp, no problem, go for it, just hang your keys up.
 
I'm very interested to see if anyone who does crack open beers on the trail actually posts up :corn:



I've wheeled with people on this board who have. :stirpot:


In fact, over the years I've been wheeling, including several PNW4WDA trail jamborees, I've seen it more than a little. I hope they post up as to why they do what they do...


:D:D:D
 
I drink while wheelin. Who wants to wheel with me now?
 
I won't. I have had maybe ONE at some point. But I have WAY too much blood/sweat and $$$ into my rig to jepardise it. But thats small reletive to hurting somebody or myself---this sport is suppposed to be fun not endangering yourself or others by doing things deemed not "normal"
 
I suppose for me it comes down to how "impaired" a beer or two makes me feel. I used to ride dirt bikes quite a lot and would actually prefer to have A (as in one) beer before I hit the trails. Maybe one more after as me and the other riders sat around and talked about the days ride.

I have no problem having a beer or two and then calling it quits. I drink a couple of beers when I do lots of stuff........ bowling, golf, surfing the internet, work (Not really). I can't really say that anyone is in danger around me after two beers.
 
The sport is supposed to fun


Let's look at it this way:
You can have fun sitting around a campfire with friends. You probably have more fun sitting around a campfire drinking with friends. Otherwise no one would drink around a campfire with friends.

So why do we think the same logic wouldn't hold true for say, an easy night run? The same alcohol effect is in play. Takes a simple activety and somehow makes it more enjoyable...
 
Nuzzy said:
So why do we think the same logic wouldn't hold true for say, an easy night run? The same alcohol effect is in play. Takes a simple activety and somehow makes it more enjoyable...
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How many things seek your attention that cause you to have to react around a campfire?


How many things on the trail?
 
I dont like the taste of beer enough to just sit and drink it as a "casual" drink like a Coke or something. So, its easy for me to not have the desire to drink even a small amount to try and achieve a "better feeling" or to make it more enjoyable. Id rather down about 3 RockStars and get a buzz that way, they taste better anyway.

Having a good time has nothing to do with the amount of alcohol I consume. I know it for fact.

As a matter of fact, some of my best times were stone sober, and the worst after drinking.

~T.J.
 
If its illegal on the road where driving is fairly easy, what does that say about driving off road where things can get tough. How many life endangering or life threatening things happen by a campfire?

Isnt there a problem with society if people can't have just as much fun sober as when they've been drinking?
 
I've had maybe 1 beer on an occasion or two on the trail as a driver and it was no different for me than any other wheeling trip. I don't have self-control issues. 1 beer does not turn into 2 or 3. I never have the temptation to let it go beyond that. That said, I don't do it anymore, because some people do have bad judgement, and if I'm drinking, they may feel free to drink, where otherwise they might not have.

The bottom line for me though, is I refuse to wheel with people who have bad judgement in any area. If something were to get out of hand, I would have no hesitation to regulate on someone and take their keys or whatever it took.
 
Nuzzy said:
The sport is supposed to fun


Let's look at it this way:
You can have fun sitting around a campfire with friends. You probably have more fun sitting around a campfire drinking with friends. Otherwise no one would drink around a campfire with friends.

So why do we think the same logic wouldn't hold true for say, an easy night run? The same alcohol effect is in play. Takes a simple activety and somehow makes it more enjoyable...
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Just seem in MY experiences " Lets just go putt around" usually ends up in a nightmare of some sort. Especially a night run.
 
I've had maybe 1 beer on an occasion or two on the trail as a driver and it was no different for me than any other wheeling trip. I don't have self-control issues. 1 beer does not turn into 2 or 3. I never have the temptation to let it go beyond that. That said, I don't do it anymore, because some people do have bad judgement, and if I'm drinking, they may feel free to drink, where otherwise they might not have.
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Very good point. Very good of you to give up something you know can do yourself, simply for the better cause so to speak.

When I first started reading this post, I was thinking "oh great another 'Im perfect and I dont mess up' post, but then you made that last statement. To me, that just says that maybe there is truth to what you said, simply because you have the responsibility to stop because you know it can cause a danger in that exact way. I dunno why, but I just felt compelled to say something about it - so good job, or something, lol.

~T.J.
 
crash said:
How many things seek your attention that cause you to have to react around a campfire?


How many things on the trail?
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Very true.

Vehicles rolling into people would cause far greater damage than someone stumbling into someone.



How about this facet:
The typical male can easily drink a beer an hour and have their body process that alcohol in that time. Therefore, that person should be able to have a beer every hour throughout the day and be deemed lawfully and physically fine to operate a motor vehicle. Would that be considered acceptable? Or do people consider that wheeling should be even more strict in it's alcohol tollerance than the laws that govern us on the roads?
 
I used to but started to think about it and I decided that if I break or roll my $h!t I dont want the hear "how much were ya drinking" crap. So I dont anymore............ ok sometimes 1,but only 1 on a long lunch break and that dont happen often.
 
Nuzzy said:
Very true.

Vehicles rolling into people would cause far greater damage than someone stumbling into someone.



How about this facet:
The typical male can easily drink a beer an hour and have their body process that alcohol in that time. Therefore, that person should be able to have a beer every hour throughout the day and be deemed lawfully and physically fine to operate a motor vehicle. Would that be considered acceptable? Or do people consider that wheeling should be even more strict in it's alcohol tollerance than the laws that govern us on the roads?
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I could not do that--- I would be TANKED :D
 
Nuzzy said:
How about this facet:
The typical male can easily drink a beer an hour and have their body process that alcohol in that time.
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To many factors in there to be relied on.
 
crash said:
I could not do that--- I would be TANKED :D
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But yet you can down a 2l of Dew an hour and suffer no ill effects. :wtf: :haha: :corn:
 
Ashes said:
If its illegal on the road where driving is fairly easy, what does that say about driving off road where things can get tough.
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It is legal on the road to an extent :; Remember in my first post, I specifically said no stumbly drunk... .08 BAC is the line where it becomes illegall on the road for us old farts :D



Ashes said:
Isnt there a problem with society if people can't have just as much fun sober as when they've been drinking?
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Nope. Alcohol has been around for thousands of years. There's a reason for that.





Sorry Ash, wasn't meaning to pick on you but you raised some very addressable questions. :D
 

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