Tell me what u think... Paging blacksheep10 ..

This is my buddies tj. He just got a set of struts.. Tell me, why do I not like the angle of these? I realize he didn't wanna cut his **** up.. But this angle HAS to have some affect on performance.. Right? or am I wrong? Check it out.

One mo hoe

Tons of people do them like that.... Bothers the **** outta me, it goes against everything I think I know about a smooth road ride

Man me too. Just looks dum and like it "won't work" ha. Dammit there has to be some effect on the pwrformance

Why would it matter except for looks?

When you really cycle the suspension through just the usable stroke, being a long arm, the centerline of the lower shock mount doesn't move as much as it looks like it would.

So from ride height to full stuff it's not a major angle that will have to be tuned for an eternity ya know?

From ride height to full droop is where most of the movement from the lower long arm will come into play. Essentially pulling away from or arcing down and away from the chassis which is close to the same plain as the struts are mounted.

So maybe doesn't look like the ideal tube chassis bouncer approach but actually will work well for a dual purpose rig

No way it could ride AS good on the road... there is a reason every factory built vehicle on earth has the coil springs mounted straight up and down

I agree with that. i meant compared to tilted forward/back/inboard/outboard, as long as the angle is reasonable, it shouldn't really matter

Let TJ do his thang! That's how a lot of TJ's are set up. I guess to minimize cutting the tub or something

muddinmetal said:

No way it could ride AS good on the road... there is a reason every factory built vehicle on earth has the coil springs mounted straight up and down

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Cmon meow, I bet when the struts are tuned properly it rides pretty dang good.

Especially since the strut and lower long arm are dang near perfectly 90deg. I bet at that angle there is the least amount of deflection from the lower arm mounting point and lower shock mount during cycling that you could achieve with that setup.

So if you step back and rotate both the lower long arm and the strut as a whole unit in your imagination, technically you would be as close to a "straight up and down" coil spring design as you could get.

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I ran a set of air shocks years ago like that with zero issues. ORIs shouldn't be any different

It'll work as just good as any of the rest of them air shocks!

Re: Re: Tell me what u think... Paging blacksheep10 ..

muddinmetal said:

No way it could ride AS good on the road... there is a reason every factory built vehicle on earth has the coil springs mounted straight up and down

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Except they don't

The angle of the shock / strut / pool noodle is probably the result of using a 14" travel shock and low ride height WITHOUT cutting the rear inner fender. It keeps the inside sealed for the rear passengers. I went through this on my Jeep. If I had not angled the shock and made the lower mount behind the axle I would had to cut the tub and add tube for an upper mount.

Buddy of mine had a newer jeep what ever letters they are, but it had a bolt on coil over kit mounted just like that. Must be a jeep think.

Look at a RZR front. Like said earlier goes against everything I thought about mounting shocks.

LightBnDr said:

When you really cycle the suspension through just the usable stroke, being a long arm, the centerline of the lower shock mount doesn't move as much as it looks like it would.

So from ride height to full stuff it's not a major angle that will have to be tuned for an eternity ya know?

From ride height to full droop is where most of the movement from the lower long arm will come into play. Essentially pulling away from or arcing down and away from the chassis which is close to the same plain as the struts are mounted.

So maybe doesn't look like the ideal tube chassis bouncer approach but actually will work well for a dual purpose rig

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Ding ding ding!

I know it's because he doesn't wanna cut the tub... He's made that clear. But for some reason I'm thinkin it has some effect on the way it handles. I dunno why I was thinkin that.. Just seemed like it had to..

Wheel travel in relation to shock travel and maybe a little bit in the ride quality department, would be about the only thing I see it affecting by moving the angle around like that.. But the way those are angled back, unless the tires move forward a lot when the suspension droops out, I don't see it affecting ride quality or anything much differently than if it were mounted with the upper mount tilted in and forward. Those look like they aren't angled in at the top any, so it should provide a little more stability in general terms, but may ride a little stiffer than if they were angled in...but that can be accomodated via n20 psi changes.... I would think.

Just my uneducated opinion.....ask McMinn if you really want to know the answer. He'll come over and give everyone tug jobs after he tunes yer suspension.

Bahahahajaj fuk no! He's prob still studying on this **** so he can hit us with a lecture tomorrow .. Hahaha. Fukin Spring guru. Bahaha Funniest **** bout it is he believes himself.

Very common on TJ's and JK's. Is it the ideal mount for performance? No. Does it make a huge difference in how it works? No. Does it fit big ass shocks under the tub with out cutting it allowing you to keep the rear seat, factory fuel tank, not have holes in your tub, not have a bunch of tubes inside? Yes.