I buy HF **** here and there, the 12" disc sander is good enough for my weekend use. The table needs a little fiddling and the dust chute is plastic, so if you're grinding metal you will burn it up eventually, I can live with both for how cheap they are. The junk they sell is the same junk on eBay and Amazon from other sellers, at least with HF you can go finger **** it in person and decide if it's worth buying.