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If the earthquake had broken a large dam and flooded Tokyo killing thousands then everyone would be crying for the removal of dams.
I don't think that's true at all. People have been crying for the removal of nuclear energy since, what, the 70's? The 60's? This is just one of those "and this ****ing surprises anyone HOW??" moments. When a dam fails in the worst possible way, people in other countries might not even hear about it.
 
See that's what I was saying. And I'm sure a lot of people here and around the world think the same as you.

"We are in no danger"


I can totally agree with a statement like "we are in very little danger, or it will be long term effects felt"

But "No danger" is an absolute falsehood.

I know I'm somewhat splitting hairs here but they are very important radioactive hairs.

:redneck:
Odie please, I mean no disrespect to your lack of hairs



read this. it will put a lot of things into perspective.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sievert




Bob
 
well perhaps not to all of that sounds real

wind generators generate about 5% of their rated power at 6mph windspeed , 20% at about 15mph and 100% at 30mph.

and a 48000 watt would be crazy overkill.
Bob

Whatever....
http://windspireenergy.com/windspire/specifications/
http://windspireenergy.com/wp-conte...10-WIND-0216-WindspireSpecSheet-standard1.pdf

I was wrong about the wind speed, they need 8.5mph not 6...so shoot me.:flipoff:

I was just making a comment about wind generators...not looking to get into an e-penis size contest.

Perhaps if you didn't need to be the resident expert on all subject matter.:fawkdancesmiley:

Or maybe your just butthurt that someone has more than you.
:D:D
 
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interesting animation of Japan fault lines, and earthquakes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xylDxj6-9dY

Japan is situated on a rise in the ocean floors. That rise is caused by three teutonic (sp) plates coliding together. This video is a time lapse of the earthquake activity in the area. Big one is approx 1:10 in. Notice the lapse of earthquakes just prior to the big one, and the abundance of earthquakes after.
 
The news just said the only place safe from harmful radiation is under the powerlines at reiter in a metal 4x4.

Said suntin about good karma rays canceling out bad gamma rays or sumtin?
 
Consider this.
If the earthquake had broken a large dam and flooded Tokyo killing thousands then everyone would be crying for the removal of dams. Everything has risks we just need to make them as small as possible and learn from the mistakes.


A dam causes localised damage with relatively short term side effects.

The cumulative effect of nuclear, oil, chemical etc pollution that we are now creating is becoming much more of a problem. It's a problem that won't go away for a very very long time as well.



The news just said the only place safe from harmful radiation is under the powerlines at reiter in a metal 4x4.

Said suntin about good karma rays canceling out bad gamma rays or sumtin?


Meet you there tonight at 10pm for a bon fire and a night run. :beer:
 
how much of a radiation cloud came over Cali when we bombed thier asses to end WWII?
 
We never really heard much about radiation from all the testing we did in Navada either.

But lots of people got sick and a few died.

What are the cancer rates between 1935 and 2005?
 
I don't remember learning about mass radiation poisoning after that?
except in Japan....

Because they didn't have the media to promulgate rumors and miss-information.

More people die from alcohol related incidents than nuclear incidents, should we ban all alcohol too, then require everyone to wear seat belts, helmets, and have health insurance :redneck:
 
The retardation is strong with this thread.


How does comparing one really bad thing to another really bad thing make one of them somehow better?

I have seen this logic used like 1000 times in the last couple days in this thread, and the pot thread.


Lets see would you rather die by a single gunshot to the head? or to be impaled by a thousand sharp spears smeared with ****?

Ray Combes: Our Surrvey says........

Neither !!!!! I don't want to die by a bullet, **** smeared spears, green eggs and ham, radiation, alcohol, or over-exposure to people tryin to stirr the pot online.

What have our fine contestents won? A frontal labotomy Ray.....

Ray says:
"Never get into an argument with a schizophrenic person and say, "Who do you think you are?""

:hi:
 
I want to die by getting eaten by either a bear, or a cougar. :cool:

Just watched a old movie with anthony hopkins in it where a guy gets eaten by a grizzly bear. Dosent look like a fun way to go to me.:eeek:

Edit: The edge
 
Just watched a old movie with anthony hopkins in it where a guy gets eaten by a grizzly bear. Dosent look like a fun way to go to me.:eeek:

Edit: The edge

You might as well make your last moments on Earth the most exciting ones :D
 
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Bob
 
I would think any person would come to the conclusion after a bit of thought that almost any radiation of this type is a bad thing. Wheather it's from a nuclear disaster, microwaves, X-rays, plane flights, etc. The best course of action it would seem would be to limit these things as much as possible.


Just trying to understand this logic....You think we should limit radiation as much as possible which seems logical to me. There's radiation from rocks and from the sun both of which we have no control. There's also radiation from X ray machines, microwaves, airport scanners and nuclear powerplants all of which we have control over but as a society have determined these things to be acceptable correct?..So with all of these radiation sources what does a few stray rays here and there matter? In the big picture what does it add up too?...Who cares?:corn:
 
Well when it all boils down nothing matters. Killing, rape, drugs, radiation, stealing, how we act, etc.

One day God will come back or our sun will go supernova. More likely we will pollute our earth so bad humans and most other life forms will parish.

But to us... right here and now....does it matter? no


If one has no conscience
 
Well when it all boils down nothing matters. Killing, rape, drugs, radiation, stealing, how we act, etc.

One day God will come back or our sun will go supernova. More likely we will pollute our earth so bad humans and most other life forms will parish.

But to us... right here and now....does it matter? no


If one has no conscience

So in good conscience it matters?
 
So in good conscience it matters?

I don't know what you mean.


There is a reason why if I hit and kill someone with my car on accident I don't get the same punishment as if I do it on purpose.

Is that what you mean?


IF we do stuff with good conscience but it still turns out bad?

WE should be learning. But knowlege is very easy to pass, however wisdom is very difficult.
 
Speeling does matter.
One day life will 'parish', as in, 'go to Church'?
or... 'perish', as in, 'die'.


I do it all free hand. No spell check.

And is that all youz got? Spelling


At least call me patty or patricia like all the other geneiiouzes here.

:fawkdancesmiley:
 
There is no "good" conscience or "bad" conscience. There is only "present" consciene and "past" conscience!
 
I don't know what you mean.

My pointy is there seems to be a parallel here. Silt in streams!....We hear the argument every day how nature causes silt in streams and a little more which we have control over shouldn't matter.....These two topics seem to have the same kind of logic but you seem to be on the other side of the fence. I was hopeing you could explain the logic from your side of the fence and maybe some other people with seemingly double standards could review their own point of view......:corn:
 
My pointy is there seems to be a parallel here. Silt in streams!....We hear the argument every day how nature causes silt in streams and a little more which we have control over shouldn't matter.....These two topics seem to have the same kind of logic but you seem to be on the other side of the fence. I was hopeing you could explain the logic from your side of the fence and maybe some other people with seemingly double standards could review their own point of view......:corn:

This is a great question.

Everyone has double standards, some just because that's what they were taught, and some for ease to make things in their little corner of the world make sence.


The reason we are faced with so many double standards is because we are running out of a lot of things, open land, freedom, money, power, social cohesiveness, etc. As this happens it's inevitable that some people will find themselves on one side of an issue or another.

All issues are not created equal:

Take land issues you talked about. Is a little more silt going to push the system over the edge? What is the long term impact of the things we do?
Yes nature creates silt and so we add to it. Keep in mind, your and my houses were once in the middle of a vast old growth forest ecosystem. So we've done plenty to ((destroy) - EDIT TRANSFORM) 99% of our land.

Nuclear, and petro-chemical issues are different because of the long term nature of the decisions we make about them. Thousands and thousands of years compaired to decades or hundreds of years.
Yes nature creates radiation, and we add to it.


It's about mitigating causes and effects:

Keeping wheeling to a few sites, and trying to control issues is a good thing. Quality of life should be considered. But nobody wants to be the one that's giving up what they have.

Being nimble enough to recognise nuclear power for all it's good and bad, and being proactive enough to conserve energy or make changes to how we get energy so we don't have reactors every square mile is what we should be striving for in a perfect world.


Selfishness, greed, and irresponsibility these traits have always been active within humans. What's the difference now? There are too many people acting out these traits (numbers of people as in population not percentages of people doing it) so it causes the collapse of the whole thing.


I know I'm all of these things, I want my cake and eat it too. I'm willing to admit my shortcomings.

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