Things are changing..

Todd1803 · Mar 6, 2009

Kool2BSquare said:
Go to an RTW meeting there is about a dozen people there

Seems like the problem is obvious. 12 people care enough to be involved, the other thousands who use the area in any given week just want to stand back, let others do the work, then bitch about the end result.

If the motorized users can't get over their sniveling and whining amongst and between their respective groups, and find a way to become a unified voice, the greenies have already won.

85b2man · Mar 6, 2009

crash i'll be at the meeting i wanna do anything i can to help we all need to get better organized and learn to work togeather.
is there ever multi club head meets, or multi club meets

Muddy Beast · Mar 7, 2009

How long do the meetings run? I get off work around 8PM, and I'm in Lynnwood (from work)...I'd like to show my support though.

~Scott

Kat · Mar 7, 2009

Meeting starts about 7

m and goes at least an hour unless there is nothing to discuss. shortest meeting was 30 mins. Some times we close the place.

Muddy Beast · Mar 7, 2009

JK kat said:
Meeting starts about 7m and goes at least an hour unless there is nothing to discuss. shortest meeting was 30 mins. Some times we close the place.

Thanks. I guess I'll have to try and get off work early one of these days!

~Scott

nate8887 · Mar 7, 2009

So what can a Guy like me offer? There is alot of us out there I live 3 hours away and do use the trails on occasion is there a way to post projects that can need to be completed or innitaited for people that are heading up for just a weekend. Maybe just something that needs to be finished instead of twice a year trail cleans have weekend projects so things are getting done every weekend by people using the trails every weekend? I think that would work out better foralot of people it could even be something like the hosting program at evans. I really want to help out but due to my carreer I do not have the opertunity like some.

High-Five · Mar 8, 2009

Todd1803 said:
Seems like the problem is obvious. 12 people care enough to be involved, the other thousands who use the area in any given week just want to stand back, let others do the work, then bitch about the end result.

If the motorized users can't get over their sniveling and whining amongst and between their respective groups, and find a way to become a unified voice, the greenies have already won.

EXACTLY my point!
So we'll see you on Wednesday?
Alfy's in Snohomish 7PM

High-Five · Mar 8, 2009

ChrisCo said:
A fellow WATTORA Officer posted this up this evening:

This was scanned "from the latest issue of the Sierra Clubs Cascade Crest.".

That guy who wrote that article is considered a "wilderness hero"

http://www.leaveitwild.org/news/newsletter/issue/2005-02/wilderness_hero

Just how many miles of hiking trails do these people REALLY need?

pokey · Mar 8, 2009

Kool2BSquare said:
That guy who wrote that article is considered a "wilderness hero"

http://www.leaveitwild.org/news/newsletter/issue/2005-02/wilderness_hero

Just how many miles of hiking trails do these people REALLY need?

Why they need all of it :booo: They wont be happy until were all living in condos in town and no side streets exist. The only roads not in city limits will be highways between citys with crosswalks for the critters.

Jaydog · Mar 9, 2009

To wheelers it's a hobby, to environmentalists it's a religion.

pokey · Mar 9, 2009

Jaydog said:
To wheelers it's a hobby, to environmentalists it's a religion.

very true and they have their own group of fanatics to make their points:booo:

Not Jobless · Mar 9, 2009

Lets face it folks, in todays society being "Green" (insert PC environmental action here) is the rage.

Not only is it easy for them to stand there on soap box and spout "Green" propoganda, it's easy to get on board with and support at every level, plus, with all the focus on this "Green" initiative crap, every politician will not so much as flinch at the opportunity to jump on the band wagon to ride this until there next election victory.

Wheelin is not "Green"

So, how do you fight the entire political system of "Green"?

Let's face it, there are a lot of other State & Federal sponsored activities that are less "Green" than wheeling...logging...mining...commercial fishing...rural development...etc...

While the "Greenies" may potest these activities there is no way that the government is going to do anything about them in the short term, so where then are the "Greenies" going to focus their attention?

:rb::rb::rb::rb:

n16ht5 · Mar 9, 2009

85b2man said:
just think if they logged reiter the eco terrorist world freak lol :fawkdancesmiley: after all thats what it was in the first place logging roads.
On a serious note look at tahuya they have camp sites and have overcome the eco freaks because the 4 wheelers and dirbikers have a bigger voice.
Couldnt we be doing like fund raisers or something,
is there something more

you guys cant drive over those little barriers??? pfffft :eeek:

screw the eco freaks and the barriers. we were there first.

:flipoff:

crash2 · Mar 9, 2009

Jackazz said:
Lets face it folks, in todays society being "Green" (insert PC environmental action here) is the rage.

Not only is it easy for them to stand there on soap box and spout "Green" propoganda, it's easy to get on board with and support at every level, plus, with all the focus on this "Green" initiative crap, every politician will not so much as flinch at the opportunity to jump on the band wagon to ride this until there next election victory.

Wheelin is not "Green"

So, how do you fight the entire political system of "Green"?

Let's face it, there are a lot of other State & Federal sponsored activities that are less "Green" than wheeling...logging...mining...commercial fishing...rural development...etc...

While the "Greenies" may potest these activities there is no way that the government is going to do anything about them in the short term, so where then are the "Greenies" going to focus their attention?

:rb::rb::rb::rb:

How funny---well said brad...

I know we can't change the world, and we can't change the minds of some. But we can try to hold onto what we have for a little longer..

But jaydog really put the head to the hammer.

Todd1803 · Mar 9, 2009

Kool2BSquare said:
EXACTLY my point!
So we'll see you on Wednesday?
Alfy's in Snohomish 7PM

If it was at all possible for me to be there, I would, and I don't even use Reiter :awesomework:

A thought / question - in the wheeling community, we have the PNW4WDA, who fight for the rights of the wheeling community. Do the motorcycle and ATV crowds have comprable, locally based, organizations? I apologize for my ignorance, but if they do have an organization(s), have they all ever gotten together to compare notes?

pokey · Mar 9, 2009

Todd1803 said:
If it was at all possible for me to be there, I would, and I don't even use Reiter :awesomework:

A thought / question - in the wheeling community, we have the PNW4WDA, who fight for the rights of the wheeling community. Do the motorcycle and ATV crowds have comprable, locally based, organizations? I apologize for my ignorance, but if they do have an organization(s), have they all ever gotten together to compare notes?

Yes, Yes and Yes www.wohva.org :cheer:

nate8887 · Mar 9, 2009

sorry for the repost but no response and I am very interested

There is allot of us out there that live 3 hours away from Reiter and do use the trails on occasion is there a way to post projects that can/need to be completed or initiated for people that are heading up for just a weekend. Maybe just something that needs to be finished. Instead of twice a year trail cleans have weekend projects so things are getting done every weekend by people using the trails every weekend? I think that would work out better for a lot of people it could even be something like the hosting program at Evans. I really want to help out but due to my career I do not have the opportunity like some.

Jaydog · Mar 10, 2009

nate8887 said:
There is allot of us out there that live 3 hours away from Reiter and do use the trails on occasion is there a way to post projects that can/need to be completed or initiated for people that are heading up for just a weekend. Maybe just something that needs to be finished. Instead of twice a year trail cleans have weekend projects so things are getting done every weekend by people using the trails every weekend? I think that would work out better for a lot of people it could even be something like the hosting program at Evans. I really want to help out but due to my career I do not have the opportunity like some.

Evans is FS, while Elbe, Walker Valley, Tahuya and Reiter are all DNR, I'm not aware of any hosting programs at any of the DNR campgrounds, also Reiter isn't an official "ORV Park" yet.

Corey Y · Mar 10, 2009

n16ht5 said:
you guys cant drive over those little barriers??? pfffft :eeek:

screw the eco freaks and the barriers. we were there first.

:flipoff:

It sounds like the DNR wants to have a buffer zone between the trails and the main road, so non ORV people are less likely to see the trails and complain. "out of sight, out of mind"

Corey Y · Mar 10, 2009

Jaydog said:
Evans is FS, while Elbe, Walker Valley, Tahuya and Reiter are all DNR, I'm not aware of any hosting programs at any of the DNR campgrounds, also Reiter isn't an official "ORV Park" yet.

The DNR is trying to start a "trail Watch program" where clubs/users sign up to watch the ORV areas on weekends and stop vandalism of the camping facilities. Most high school vandals/party people don't know that volunteers do almost all of the work at the ORV parks.