Washington Trail System Fund Raisers...

[boardbysled]

I'd buy a couple dozen and put them on Subaru's parked on the side of Reiter road.:awesomework:

Guess I don't need to buy one then!:fawkdancesmiley::haha:

 

[Avanteone]

I like this idea, and would support however it turns out.

On a side note, how EXACTLY does the money get spent? If we (NWW, WOW, whoever) raised say $1000, how EXACTLY does it work? Do you go to the FS and say here's a check for $1k, help our trails? Do we spend $1k and go buy wood to build bridges to fix stuff? Can anybody go rent equipment and show up and fix stuff however they want? I'm not at all trying to be a smart-ass, just really unfamiliar with the procedures I guess.

I have my reasons for asking.


John

 

[Money Mark]

(this post is not directly in response to Avanteone's post, but it has helped me put together this post)

1. I would not give a dime to USFS ORV areas. I would only donate to DNR managed ORV Recreation Lands. (this is not meant to sway anyones opinion) My reaction/opinion is the direct result of the USFS's recent negative actions (and the DNR's positive actions)......we all know what they are. Call it a silent protest, call it what you want.....don't be offended and please don't take defense.

2. I would like the donated amount to be allocated to a club or Org, so that they can use it to maintain, upgrade and/or clean-up trails in their preferred ORV area. This, and how it's spent, I entrust to said club(s) or Org.

C. If the funds cannot be allocated in this manner, I would not donate. (again, this is not meant to sway anyones opinion)

 

[wishicouldwheel]

obstacles are cool but seem to be short term gratification.... would much rather see money going to keep said trails open

 

[Gibby1]

The fund raisers are a great idea.

Just as an FYI, on Rainier Vista, we have the rocks, we just need to be able to rent more heavy equipment to keep moving them. I took over $2k out of my pocket earlier this year and I haven't had money to do any more. I think projects like this are places where donated funds could have a profound and immediate impact on a trail or trail system.

DNR Maintenance and Operations budgets don't include much funding to building new trails or in cases like this, rebuilding trails.

I wouldn't give a dime of the money to any government organization but keep in in groups like WOW, PNW4WDA or RTW earmarked towards special projects.

 

[Money Mark]

obstacles are cool but seem to be short term gratification.... would much rather see money going to keep said trails open

You have fused and confused 2 separate donation categories.

There should/can/will be monies donated for "short term gratification".

There should/can/will be monies donated to "keep said trails open".

:beer:

 

[Money Mark]

I took over $2k out of my pocket earlier this year.....

You may or may not get enough credit, but here I go.....stroking your ego:tongue:once again. THANK YOU!!! for all that you've done and continue to do.:011:

 

[crash2]

If the trails are interesting enough then people will show up to maintain them out of passion


fwiw

Unfortunately I don't agree with this one statement. We have seen this before when people are passonite about a trail but could care less or lift a finger to maintain it. Sure you might get a couple folks who are but with the needs of whats there the manpower doesn't exhist.

 

[Horus]

I think there is a need for a fund devoted almost exclusively to improving the quality and difficulty of our trails. Work parties are easy and cheap for a club or organization to hold. DNR has money for trash hauling and basic trail maintenance needs. Holes left by DNR in this catagory are easily filled by an organization such as WOW, PNW4WDA, etc.

What we really need money for is exactly the type of thing happening this weekend at Walker. What everyone accomplished at Elbe on the Rainier Vista is also a perfect example. We need money to get the rocks, the trucks, the heavy equipment and the diesel to run it all up to the trail head. Building the type of trails modern ORVs can have fun on is the most under funded segment of what we do.

I will only support DNR as they appear willing to work with us to accomplish our goals. The FS has nothing I want.

 

[POWWAG]

What about the lawsuit to get the NOVA funds back. Isn't that money suppose to be for trail maintenance and such.

 

[zukkev]

Unfortunately I don't agree with this one statement. We have seen this before when people are passonite about a trail but could care less or lift a finger to maintain it. Sure you might get a couple folks who are but with the needs of whats there the manpower doesn't exhist.

Ah, but it'd be two more than we (volunteers in general) didn't have before---which can get infectious...:awesomework:

 

[zukkev]

Yes, but the NOVA funds are not there right now to apply for, so we (the entire 4x4 community) need to come up with alternative methods of filling the $$$$ gap so to speak...:awesomework:

 

[dirtygoat]

I think there is a need for a fund devoted almost exclusively to improving the quality and difficulty of our trails. Work parties are easy and cheap for a club or organization to hold. DNR has money for trash hauling and basic trail maintenance needs. Holes left by DNR in this catagory are easily filled by an organization such as WOW, PNW4WDA, etc.

What we really need money for is exactly the type of thing happening this weekend at Walker. What everyone accomplished at Elbe on the Rainier Vista is also a perfect example. We need money to get the rocks, the trucks, the heavy equipment and the diesel to run it all up to the trail head. Building the type of trails modern ORVs can have fun on is the most under funded segment of what we do.

I will only support DNR as they appear willing to work with us to accomplish our goals. The FS has nothing I want.

Mike, I agree... No need to fund the things that we can already accomplish with the funds that are already there... Lets build the trails we already have to meet our needs...

You may or may not get enough credit, but here I go.....stroking your ego:tongue:once again. THANK YOU!!! for all that you've done and continue to do.:011:

As Mark said, I to thank you... Dale, you have been incredible this last year... Never mind the misunderstandings, without your help this would not have happened...

I'm happy to work with you, for many more years, making our trials better for all... We might hit some speed bumps along the way, but I believe everyone will benefit...

I don't think the wheeling community has thanked you enough for what you did...

 

[Binder]

If the trails are interesting enough then people will show up to maintain them out of passion
fwiw

Unfortunately I don't agree with this one statement. We have seen this before when people are passonite about a trail but could care less or lift a finger to maintain it. Sure you might get a couple folks who are but with the needs of whats there the manpower doesn't exhist.

The difference here is the people you're talking about. People who get things done, "movers and shakers" will get it done if they want to......Some other groups of people "web wheelers" talk the talk but don't walk the walk. These people are never going to be an asset to the offroad community no matter how many times you poke them with your "E" stick.
Keep the people who get things done interested and it will get done.:awesomework:

 

[Horus]

A successful work party is often directly the result of the number of people who showed. Plenty of rigs combing the trails for trash freeing up the hardcores to fix bridges and perform site specific fixes to problem areas. You feed everyone afterward and bam, you're done. We have plenty of work parties as it is and support is already there. It seems like all I do coming into the summer for a month or so. :D

An undertaking such as the Rainier Vista or this weekend's Walker trail re-route is a completely different ball game. Now you only need five to ten people to make it happen. One guy to run the excavator and another spoting for him to assure the best placement of the rocks. Obviously you need a driver for the tow rig hauling the one ton military trailer loaded with rock(s) up the trail to the location of placement. Put another excavator at the bottom to load the trailer and we can build a serious rock trail anywhere in Washigton with four or five workers. So why haven't we built sick rock lines into previously flat and useless trails all over our state already? Money.

A work party is a couple hundred bucks to feed a decent sized group and maybe give away a tow strap or something. Dale has what out of his own pocket into the Rainier Vista project? The 160 we used came into Elbe hauled behind a friggin dump truck. It takes money to make the really cool **** happen. The equipment is easy to get. Operators are easy to get. The $3000 to$ 6000 needed to haul it all out, run it all day(s) and return it all with full tanks is not there. It can be.

You don't have to be a mover and shaker to make a big difference. Give the movers and shakers the money they need and watch what we do with it. I KNOW you will like what we come up with.

 

[Binder]

So why haven't we built sick rock lines into previously flat and useless trails all over our state already? Money.

Not necessarily. We've been shut down at Walker when we brought up ideas to do these things in the past....I wouldn't assume you're going to get any "sick rock lines" from this weekends work party at Walker either. It would be great but I'll believe it when I see it.:cheer:

 

[Avanteone]

My reason for asking is that my club has discussed spending money to help out. There are a few members in my club that attend the work parties, meetings, etc (Mostly Horus, I've been to a couple, others have been to some) but we honestly don't feel we're doing as much as we could, as far as physically helping out. We have some money saved up and discussed recently what to do with it. Obviously we want to help the trail systems here in WA, but have been looking for the best way to help out in a financial manner.

John

 

[JAWS]

Ill admit i didnt read the 5 pages of chater. But as long as the fund raiser money goes to the DNR and not forest service im in. With the DNR you can choose your money to go to a trail of your choice and it will. Forest service fills their pockets. N the state gets enough of my money as it is.

 

[zukkev]

John, I understand your concerns, and not trying to plug our project, but in this case, as an example---For this reroute, we have the material avail in the vicinity, but lack an efficient way to haul it (dump truck), load said dump truck, etc...which is why the donations thread came about...IF we can get enough donations together for this project to make it happen, any left over would be saved in the RRR acct for future upgrades, maint, repair for Walker...does that answer your question?

 

[Binder]

I wouldn't give the money to any state agency to manage. Just hold it and be master of our own destiny.

 

[crash2]

The difference here is the people you're talking about. People who get things done, "movers and shakers" will get it done if they want to......Some other groups of people "web wheelers" talk the talk but don't walk the walk. These people are never going to be an asset to the offroad community no matter how many times you poke them with your "E" stick.
Keep the people who get things done interested and it will get done.:awesomework:

Problem is those folks are few and can only do it for so long before they hit that burnout stage. Who's going to step up to take there place?

My point is "few" just doesn't cut it. Plus with many you get a larger and more diverse input on prodjects as they get done.

 

[nowires]

Ill admit i didnt read the 5 pages of chater. But as long as the fund raiser money goes to the DNR and not forest service im in. With the DNR you can choose your money to go to a trail of your choice and it will. Forest service fills their pockets. N the state gets enough of my money as it is.

this is why we are trying to private fund raise money, We have total control of how and when the money is being spent

 

[Binder]

Problem is those folks are few and can only do it for so long before they hit that burnout stage. Who's going to step up to take there place?

My point is "few" just doesn't cut it. Plus with many you get a larger and more diverse input on prodjects as they get done.

Very true.

 

[JAWS]

this is why we are trying to private fund raise money, We have total control of how and when the money is being spent

Then im in.... I just want the money to back into fourwheeling parks/ORV areas I use. Not into building skate parks or tennis courts in a city park. Cuz we all know my fatass cant sk8 N i dont like any part of Tennis. We besides when the hot chicks jump for the ball thats ok to watch:masturbanana[1]:

 

[dirtygoat]

I wouldn't give the money to any state agency to manage. Just hold it and be master of our own destiny.

Exactly...

 

[WHITE TRASH1]

One of the most discouraging things about trail wok and upkeep is all the bs red tape. If you are attending an official clean up or trail maintnance event up at lil naches you can not use a chain saw unless you have a chainsaw training card that you need to take a class for once a year to renew it. I can understand it to a point because while you are there officially you are under the states L&I umbrella. Problem is if you are out with a permit cutting lumber you don't need a card that says you are smart enough to not cut your arm off...

I sure wish we could just go out and do obvious fixes without their official ok so things just get done and not get in trouble for it... I don't need their permission to pick up trash so yea..

I don't have much cash to donate but once the truck is done next month we'll be hitting the cleanups and maintnance runs hard and heavy once again. :D

 

[dirtygoat]

One of the most discouraging things about trail wok and upkeep is all the bs red tape. If you are attending an official clean up or trail maintnance event up at lil naches you can not use a chain saw unless you have a chainsaw training card that you need to take a class for once a year to renew it. I can understand it to a point because while you are there officially you are under the states L&I umbrella. Problem is if you are out with a permit cutting lumber you don't need a card that says you are smart enough to not cut your arm off...

I sure wish we could just go out and do obvious fixes without their official ok so things just get done and not get in trouble for it... I don't need their permission to pick up trash so yea..

I don't have much cash to donate but once the truck is done next month we'll be hitting the cleanups and maintnance runs hard and heavy once again. :D

We have members that are chainsaw certified... Also have some that are first responder certified... Anyone that can make it to these classes should... Most of the time they are free...:awesomework:

 

[WHITE TRASH1]

We have members that are chainsaw certified... Also have some that are first responder certified... Anyone that can make it to these classes should... Most of the time they are free...:awesomework:

Peanut has the chainsaw card and yes it was free but the classes were on week days and most of us actually have to work for a living so that limits who can get it. Not that I'll let that stop me from clearing downed trees from the trail when wheeling... :redneck:

 

[dirtygoat]

OK, I've got the approval to set up a booth at our local Walmart to sell stickers and hand out info... Hoping to get approved by the WOW membership at the next meeting...

I'm liking the slogan Dirk came up with, "I Support Motorized Recreation On Public Land.":awesomework:

What does everyone else think??? What should the stickers look like???

 

[crash2]

OK, I've got the approval to set up a booth at our local Walmart to sell stickers and hand out info... Hoping to get approved by the WOW membership at the next meeting...

I'm liking the slogan Dirk came up with, "I Support Motorized Recreation On Public Land.":awesomework:

What does everyone else think??? What should the stickers look like???

I really like it :awesomework: