Canadian wheeling...

Invite haha:fawkdancesmiley:

Way too many what ifs. If you go I do agree be smart do your OWN research. Its not that hard. If your affaid of every little thing that COULD happen to you your one boring S.O.B. and you shouldn't go anyway.
After these threads I don't think the guys & girls up there are in too much of a hurry to have you come up anyway.

also, MM mentioned it.. but specifically about DUIs. if you get a DUI in the US you will not be allowed in Canada.

The insurance thing is something we all had to research not to long ago when we all started getting/building buggies that weren't "insurable". Till then we all just had regular licence plates on our wheelers.

What we not have is Liability Insurance in a minimum of $200,000. We can only get it through ICBC (Insurance Corporation of BC) and it is called APV45. What this means for you cats, I don't know? I'm not even sure if my APV45 would cover me in the States when I'm there? It says it will, but when it comes down to it I'm sure there's some fine print that will come into play.

I noticed a few of you guys had licence plates on your cars.....Is that an option for everyone? At least it's something to prove ownership and insurance. That's all they care about (if you were to get checked)


Aside from liability, the main reason I get my APV45 is proof of ownership. With no VINS, tags, or plates, when I cross the border (especially coming home to Canada) I have no proof that it's mine. Sometimes they ask for it, sometimes they don't. Going to the US has never been an issue.


Anywho, that's my extended $0.02:beer:

u-can-2 said:

I noticed a few of you guys had licence plates on your cars.....Is that an option for everyone? At least it's something to prove ownership and insurance. That's all they care about (if you were to get checked)


Aside from liability, the main reason I get my APV45 is proof of ownership. With no VINS, tags, or plates, when I cross the border (especially coming home to Canada) I have no proof that it's mine. Sometimes they ask for it, sometimes they don't. Going to the US has never been an issue.


Anywho, that's my extended $0.02:beer:

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Our License plates are independent from our insurance. While insurance is mandatory in WA (on public hwys) its not something our licensing office handles. We aren't socialist here (yet) with our auto insurance :fawkdancesmiley: :haha: :haha:

Same goes for ORV tags. But these are harder to insure. You can get 'toy' insurance for buggies/atvs/motorcylces through some insurance companies. I'd be careful about getting auto insurance for a buggy, even if it has a real VIN. Plus, its usually cheaper to get 'toy' insurance. I think progressive, geico, and some other have this. As for it being applicable on toys in Canada? I dunno.

japerry said:

.....if you get a DUI in the US you will not be allowed in Canada.

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Not true.....see below.


Rehabilitation for persons who are inadmissible to Canada because of past criminal activity (IMM 5312)
Eligibility for rehabilitation
What is rehabilitation?
Rehabilitation removes the grounds of criminal inadmissibility. Rehabilitation means that you lead a stable lifestyle and that you are unlikely to be involved in any further criminal activity.

Are you eligible to apply for rehabilitation?
You are eligible to apply for rehabilitation if you have:

So if I read that correctly mark. If you are convicted of a DUI you cannot enter the country unless you go thru a process to let you become eligable to cross the border?

Binder said:

Some food for thought on this topic......This is all good information to know first of all. Also know that when you leave the USA you no longer have USA constitutional rights. Meaning we all take for granted here that we can get a lawyer and make the government follow the rules if need be. Do we have that right when in Canada? We all know LEOs make up rules all of the time. Sometimes intentional and sometimes they just don't know but my point is if this happens in Canada can you do anything about it? If your rig gets impounded even though you believe you're following the rules and they say you can't have it back what are you going to do?
I'm not saying these things will happen but if we're trying to be prepared by knowing the rules we should take it one step further and have a plan for "what if ?". When you're in a foreign country in jail is probably the wrong time to think about it.
See you all there!:awesomework:

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Now I see what you've been pressing on us this whole tiome.......rights, Legal Rights. Human rights.

I consider Legal Rights an entirely different subject that I know nothing about.......and don't care to. I'm flawed, I guess.

Now that you've made your point, let us know what you find out Rick. Thanks.:awesomework:

crash said:

So if I read that correctly mark. If you are convicted of a DUI you cannot enter the country unless you go thru a process to let you become eligible to cross the border?

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Yes, no.

If you are not asked the question (I have never been asked the question.) "Do you have a DUI?" Then you would be fine.

If they do asked the question and you lie and say "no" and they don't check, you are fine.

If you lie and they check, you are turned around.

Above posted are facts.:;

Edit and for the record: I received a DUI/Reckless driving in 1998. My first time in Canada was in 2007. Did not have to go through the Rehabilitation process. So yes, there are gray areas.




Coming back into America, it does not matter.

Best plan is to go through the Rehabilitation process.

Money Mark said:

Yes, no.

If you are not asked the question (I have never been asked the question.) "Do you have a DUI?" Then you would be fine.

If they do asked the question and you lie and say "no" and they don't check, you are fine.

If you lie and they check, you are turned around.

Above posted are facts.:;

Coming back into America, it does not matter.

Best plan is to go through the Rehabilitation process.

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FYI, Canada now ALWAYS checks your ID. its been at least a year since they waived me by without checking. When they check your ID, any record you have will come up on their screen. They already know if that vehicle has been turned away before you even get to the booth with the cameras they have. If you have a DUI you will be asked about it.

Its 5years minimum before the rehabilitation process. If you lie, there is a good chance you'll get detained and eventually turned around, and who knows what will happen to your record with them after that point.

In short: if you have a felony, DUI, etc, don't even attempt to goto Canada until 5 years have passed. Apparently if its, 7-10+ years, the agent sometimes will deem you rehabilitated on the spot, one of my friends with me got away with that in '08. (she ran from the cops in '01)

PS. My uncle works border patrol. Saw him Sunday actually

Money Mark said:

Now that you've made your point, let us know what you find out Rick. Thanks.:awesomework:

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Will do Mark if I find anything out although I've spent many hours finding **** out about US requirements for us all so the least you knuckleheads could do is return the favor and spoon feed me the Canada info.
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japerry said:

PS. My uncle works border patrol. Saw him Sunday actually

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Ok. :awesomework:

Some of the info on the internet is dated.:redneck:Whodda thunk it!

And it appears, from my readings on the net, that "walk-ins" are more scrutinized than "drive-through".

If you have a DUI, DO YOU OWN RESEARCH FOR YOUR SPECIFIC SITUATION.

For instance, Nate needed a passport IMMEDIATELY. The "process" states a passport takes 4-6 weeks.......he got it that week. He pushed his way through the system and made the outcome.

What I'm saying is, there are alternatives to some "rules" for those inclined to put in the time and effort.

Binder said:

......and spoon feed me the Canada info.
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Open up the hanger.....here comes the airplane.

**Your situation may vary.**

My auto insurance provider is Progressive Ins. I just got off the phone with a nice black gal from Tampa, FL.:redneck: She helped me through the process of getting enough Liability Ins. for Canada and getting Canadian approved Ins. cards to prove it. (Canada requires Americans have a certain type of Ins. Card)

It goes like this:

My current Progressive policy cover me and my vehicle in Canada. The tow rig has my full coverage limits. The trailer is limited to a $500 Damage repair. The "ATV" (buggy) is not covered for any Damage repair (or Liability, of course)

If the trailer is hooked to the tow rig, I am covered for both. If the trailer was to ever be dis-connected by my own fault and hit someone or something, I would not be covered. If I had ATV coverage, the trailer could be covered, regardless. That's a whole nother story.



On the phone, I upped my Liability coverage to meet the $200,000 minimum for Canada.

You must have this specific Ins. card if involved in an accident in Canada.

I will have this Canadian Ins. Card in 5 days, showing the $200,000 Liability coverage.



If you're like me, and trying to save money, you have your Ins. limits as low as they can be. So......

After I receive the Canadian Ins. Card I will go online and reduce the Liability back to, lower. Then, 2 days before the next trip I will go on Progressives website and manually change to raise the Liability back up to $200,000. I already have a card in hand that states so, and now I have actual current Ins. as well.:awesomework:

When I return home, I will lower the Liability back down. The cost (for me) of this "temporary" increased Ins. is $1.30 per day.

Happy trails.:beer:

u-can-2 said:

......ICBC (Insurance Corporation of BC) and it is called APV45. What this means for you cats, I don't know?

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I just called ICBC and the gal told me that you must be a BC resident to obtain an APV45; to obtain any ICBC Ins. coverage. She refereed me back to calling my own Ins. company for insurance on "our" type of vehicles.

Now we know.:awesomework:

Great info so far--this is exacly what will help folks out

heh the passport thing... this is what happened to me... although I expedited it.

Normal delivery I hear is about 2 weeks MAX. but I've heard less, like Money Mark mentioned. Expedited and I got it express mail the next day :awesomework:

I got an enhanced license as well,since its easier than carrying the passport around. Went into mt vernon at 9am, had no lines, and was out of there by 9:45. I recieved my license in about two weeks. This is much cheaper than a passport, and I suggest it for convience sake.

Lastly, about the DUI. sure do some homework on how to get into canada, but be careful about what the net says. you USED to be able to pay a fee and get 30days to be in Canada (under 5 years). This is no longer the case after 2002 Immigration and refugee reform act. The policy on DUI and other crimes are fairly well laid out in this article:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht...2009983398_have_an_old_dui_and_expensive.html

This also lays out some good info:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/faq-inadmissibility.asp
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/conviction.asp

For those with DUI's or Criminal record, remember this:

""10. What can I do if I must come to Canada (for wheeling):redneck: but I do not qualify for rehabilitation?

If less than five years have elapsed or if justified by extremely compelling circumstances, people who are inadmissible to Canada may be issued a temporary resident permit allowing them to enter or remain in Canada.""





Thanks for contributing Jakob. All helpful info.

Money Mark said:

For those with DUI's or Criminal record, remember this:

""10. What can I do if I must come to Canada (for wheeling):redneck: but I do not qualify for rehabilitation?

If less than five years have elapsed or if justified by extremely compelling circumstances, people who are inadmissible to Canada may be issued a temporary resident permit allowing them to enter or remain in Canada."".

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"Officer, I need entry for humanitarian reasons: Environmentalists are holding my friends hostage up near West Harrison lake with their Priuses! :redneck: :haha: :redneck: :redneck: :haha:

Here is the insurance card I received...done....and this is as far I'm taking this subject. As far as my registered street legal vehicles, I've meet the standards I can.

Bottom line - How can a US residents non-registered ORV vehicle be "legal" in Canada?.......it can't. There is no system or process, designed or available. But......there is no-one to patrol this area we go to. So realistically, you'd be pursuing satisfaction of a ghost.......I don't believe in ghost's.

We'll be going again up soon.:awesomework: