Toyota front leaf spring options

Catabeagle · Feb 8, 2012

I am currently running waggys up front, I want my axle just a bit further forward for more tire clearance. Any suggestions? The cheaper the better.

boardbysled · Feb 8, 2012

Replace your mainspring with a Toyota rear mainspring.

Boonie Buster · Feb 8, 2012

All the info you need...

Springs!
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44044 SPRINGS
44044s are Rancho Jeep Wagoneer Lift Springs.
Length: 47" (Length is eye to eye)
Center Pin split (front/rear) 22.5"/24.5"
Bushing: 2 3/4" & 3"
Lift: 5.25 - 5.5" (Lift is approximate and uses 1.5" longer than stock shackles giving 3/4" of lift)
Cost: $250 (Cost is for both sides incl. shipping/give or take)
44044's do not (by themselves) move your axle forward. They are the same length on the front half as stock toys (22.5"). While they do move the axle forward because of the lift they provide (arch in spring), when they compress to the point that they are flat, it's the same. Estimated 1/2" of actual axle relocation forward.
http://bbs.off-road.com/wwwthreads_u...ith%20dims.jpg

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ALL PRO OFFROAD SPRING LENGTHS by Chris Gieger
Part Number, Overall Spring Length, Center Pin to Front*
TOYFRONT5, 47 5/8", 22 1/2"
TOYFRONT4, 46.1/2", 22 1/8"
TOYFRONT5STK, 46 3/4", 23 1/8"
TOYFRONT4STK, 45 5/8", 22 1/2"
TOYFRONT3, 46", 21 1/2"

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CHEVY SPRINGS FAQ Probably most common rear lift springs!
Everything you ever wanted to know about Chevy Springs!
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showt...threadid=20665
If you actually have a question that is not answered there, that would be a great place to ask it so the answer is there for everyone else.

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REARS SPRINGS UP FRONT Probably most common front lift springs!
Rears Up Front (RUF) FAQ: http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=265669
Stock toy rears move the axle forward 2" because they are only 20.5" on the front half where as a stock toyota front spring is 22.5". But you have to add a few leaves to the pack to make them stiff enough to hold up the front of the truck.

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WAGONEER / WAGGY SPRINGS
These are stock Jeep Wagoneer Springs
Length: 47" (Length is eye to eye)
Bushing: 3"
Lift: 3.5 - 3.75"
Cost: $200 New, $60-$100 Used
From JcWhitney.com:
1976 - 1992 Jeep Wagoneer, Front Leaf Spring
7 Heavy-duty Leaves #07ZX2048P $99.95 Ea
5 Leaves #07ZX2047B $84.95 Ea
The 7 leaf is supposed to be the ones you are looking for.
Pinion angle can be an issue if you just bolt waggs to the stock location. If you have dropped hanger or dual cases the problem is lessened.

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Misc. Spring Information
http://www.4x4spot.com/spring_swap_info.htm
http://www.4x4spot.com/misc__spring_information.htm

RidgelineMotorsports · Feb 19, 2012

I have run the rears up front, moves it forward nicely, but springs are way too soft. I have added rears to the lower springs off of a set of 3.5'' superlift springs and also a set of 5'' allpro springs. I like the flex the allpro/stock rears had better than the others.

Baby blue beater · Feb 19, 2012

I use third gen rears supported by a yj leaf pack. Works very well they are longer buy about 3 in then second gen rears. They required to move steering box way forward toohave clearance to clear highsteer drag links and then had to make my own spring hanger in the end it moved about 5 1/2 inches clears 40s with no cuts to firewall.

Poohbair · Feb 19, 2012

If you like you current springs, just keep em and add an offset 0 rate ... Cheaper and easier and you can get about 1.5" of movement

Catabeagle · Feb 22, 2012

Poohbair said:
If you like you current springs, just keep em and add an offset 0 rate ... Cheaper and easier and you can get about 1.5" of movement

0 rate? I'm dumb to that lingo. could you explain?

WA-Wheeler · Feb 22, 2012

Catabeagle said:
0 rate? I'm dumb to that lingo. could you explain?

Basically an Adda block....thingy....cheapest route besides drilling the springs:fawkdancesmiley:

benw1 · Feb 22, 2012

Catabeagle said:
0 rate? I'm dumb to that lingo. could you explain?

Its fullsize speak for a front lift block.

notstock · Feb 22, 2012

Cheapest=cut the firewall for clearance & weld a patch.

Poohbair · Feb 22, 2012

benw said:
Its fullsize speak for a front lift block.

They aren't a front lift block

They bolt to the spring pack, just like a short add-a-leaf.

They have an offset pin so that you can move your axle w/o changing springs or drilling your current springs.

http://offroaddesign.com/catalog/Zero Rates.htm

Oh, they are sold by Off Road Design, so they must only be for a fullsize..

benw1 · Feb 22, 2012

I am fully aware of what they are and who sells them. A lift block with a fancy name is still a lift block. Bolting to the spring doesn't make it not a lift block.

I have never seen a leaf spring with 1" thick leaves, so a 1" thick block bolted to the spring is hardly an add a leaf.

Poohbair · Feb 22, 2012

I have never seen a lift block that bolted to the spring pack either.

At what thickness does it change from a leaf spring to a "block"?

WA-Wheeler · Feb 22, 2012

It's an Adda block.......thingy........

Like i said :stirpot:

benw1 · Feb 22, 2012

Poohbair said:
I have never seen a lift block that bolted to the spring pack either.

At what thickness does it change from a leaf spring to a "block"?

It's pretty obvious but a leaf is made of spring steel, is roughly the same thickness as the rest of the leaves in the pack, and flexes with the rest of the leaves in the pack. A block is a hunk of metal between the leaf spring and the axle. A block does not flex.

Mark m. · Feb 22, 2012

WA-Wheeler said:
...cheapest route besides drilling the springs:fawkdancesmiley:

Don't drill them they will break. Ask me how I know

Poohbair · Feb 22, 2012

Whatever blows your dress up :awesomework:

They are an inexpensive way to get some axle movement, and I ran them for years without any problems at all!