Van Epps pass

[Jeepasaurusrex]

Has anyone ever made the run up there? I heard about it today. First time I'd heard about it.

 

[stealthrunner1]

Very cool place up at the lake to camp!!!:awesomework:

 

[pokey]

Van epps and Galleger (lake) are very nice areas. Not really hard wheeling unless snow is present but very senic. Was a big mining area in the day and lots of old mines still in the area. Best one I have found is on Paddy go easy pass. tough uphill hike but a neat hardrock mine to explore. Not doable until summer though because of water in the mine. If you go up to Van Epps stop and take the short hike over to lake Ann. very pretty lake in a rock bowl.

 

[zip1]

The Rock'd n Lock'd club has adopted all the Cle Elum Valley trails for opening & clean up, we can't access till June 15th per Mikki. But yes, w/ snow they are a challenge to run :D

http://rockdnlockd.forumotion.com/t883-gallager-run

 

[nick c]

I've attempted several of the old trails up that way off Salmon La Sac/Fish Lake, I've never made it all the way as we usually camp up their in May and every year there's been too much snow still. This year I'm thinking of switching up my camping and doing Salmon la Sac late summer so we can get up to the mines and lakes.

As Jim said the trails aren't hard, very nice views. Last year when I was up there a couple of the trails had some really narrow spots, where you end up hanging the majority of a tire over the edge due to wash outs. Those spots can be pretty un-nerving since its a LONG way down with nothing to catch you. I'm on Toyota axles with 37 Iroks and I wouldn't want to go through those spots with anything wider, unless I pre-ran a winch line to the other side.

 

[YotaDude1997]

We went in 2011 for the July 4th weekend. Camped at Lake Gallagher. At night:redneck:drove to the Van Epps mine "area"....and beyond. We made an effort to drive (wheel) on every available road/trail/path. There's more to this area than folks lead on.:awesomework: Get a map. Research with Google Earth. If you have and can use a GPS, do it. Every road is a dead end.....but well worth the journey. There's direct connections to a few great great hiking trail too, btw.:D

It was a great trip. Highly recommended.....after running the Naches Wagon trail:cheer::fawkdancesmiley:

 

[Mark m.]

Its a fun little trail that if your in the area its worth doing.

 

[crash2]

I have a buddy who has a cabin about half way up there--might have to head up there...

 

[Jeepasaurusrex]

One of the guys I hunt with wants to take a trip up there later this summer. He doesn't have anything close to a Jeep so he asked me if I would drive up there. Like I need a reason to wheel.....:redneck:

 

[1982cj7]

We went up there last year to the lake, my buddy brought his stock Subaru. :haha:

 

[greenie]

The Rock'd n Lock'd club has adopted all the Cle Elum Valley trails for opening & clean up, we can't access till June 15th per Mikki. But yes, w/ snow they are a challenge to run :D

http://rockdnlockd.forumotion.com/t883-gallager-run

was with my brother a week or two after these guys did it, and we turned around. i would have liked to push through but would require lots of technical winching and my brother and wife were not down. its funny how it goes from the hardest trail around to one of the easiest throughout the summer.
this area borders the alpine lakes wilderness zone and comes up once in a while to be shut down, so ejoy while you can and dont get all bo duke up there in your fullsize when you conquer the top and feel like you should toot yer horns.:redneck:

 

[Murkman]

this area borders the alpine lakes wilderness zone and comes up once in a while to be shut down, so ejoy while you can and dont get all bo duke up there in your fullsize when you conquer the top and feel like you should toot yer horns.:redneck:

Currently under such an attack. The WTA is offended that vehicles can be heard from the Wilderness which disturbs the solitude they seek during their Wilderness experience. The idea is to turn the area into a Widerness study area then adjust the Wilderness boundry.

Before you flame the solitude idea you should consider it is a legitimate arguement when considering Wilderness boundrys.

 

[stealthrunner1]

Currently under such an attack. The WTA is offended that vehicles can be heard from the Wilderness which disturbs the solitude they seek during their Wilderness experience. The idea is to turn the area into a Widerness study area then adjust the Wilderness boundry.

Before you flame the solitude idea you should consider it is a legitimate arguement when considering Wilderness boundrys.

IMHO...Screw Tree Huggers.....They need to realize that they have the WHOLE Cascade range to HUG trees.. and we have to fight for our (4x4 Wheeling area!!!!) which in my view is about the least that the forest service/ DNR...That The .GOV will let us have for OUR type of Fun!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

 

[Dumpolina]

IMHO...Screw Tree Huggers.....They need to realize that they have the WHOLE Cascade range to HUG trees.. and we have to fight for our (4x4 Wheeling area!!!!) which in my view is about the least that the forest service/ DNR...That The .GOV will let us have for OUR type of Fun!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

I agree, but they will not realize this.

They are well funded, well organized and motivated.

The only way to prevent them from "protecting" more land is to be equally motivated, organized and funded. Pissing and moaning, then tearing **** up at Gallaher Head lake only fuels their agenda.

 

[pokey]

I agree, but they will not realize this.

They are well funded, well organized and motivated.

The only way to prevent them from "protecting" more land is to be equally motivated, organized and funded. Pissing and moaning, then tearing **** up at Gallaher Head lake only fuels their agenda.

:awesomework:

 

[stealthrunner1]

I agree, but they will not realize this.

They are well funded, well organized and motivated.

The only way to prevent them from "protecting" more land is to be equally motivated, organized and funded. Pissing and moaning, then tearing **** up at Gallaher Head lake only fuels their agenda.

You are Right Buddy!!!!:awesomework::awesomework:...SO WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH 4x4's...If they like Wheeling...They SHOULD BE UP FOR A .GOV fight like we are to keep our wheeling area!!!!!!!If you don't fight for it!!!!You must be a tree hugger at heart!!! and not a TRUE WHEELER!!!!!!....:mad::mad::mad::stirpot::stirpot::stirpot::stirpot::wtf:

 

[YotaDude1997]

Pissing and moaning,....

Whoops:corn:

You have severely misjudged the personalities of the active members on the NorthWest Wheelers. Don't feel bad for trying to lend helpful insight:awesomework:it's a good thing. But "they" (wheelers) have proven time and time again......with their actions......that necessary change is not in the cards.

And so, they wait out time. It's sad.:mad:

 

[YotaDude1997]

Before you flame the solitude idea you should consider it is a legitimate argument when considering Wilderness boundrys.

:eeek:Wheelers don't do acceptance. You know this.

We are the entitlement recreation segment generation.:cheer:

 

[Jeepasaurusrex]

Looks like the guy wants to run up there around the end of July. Anyone else up for a trail run?

 

[Jay Luke]

The area is highly sensitive. VERY close to being shut down to motorized use. I encourage you to do your own research & check it out for yourself. Then STFU about it. I didn't realize you were new to this:wtf: Especially you Stealthrunner:eeek:

 

[Horus]

:eeek:Wheelers don't do acceptance. You know this.

We are the entitlement recreation segment generation.:cheer:

What feeling of entitlement could possibly be greater than to criminalize the very presence of other individuals in the woods purely so you can have ALL the woods all to yourself? Go look at the type of camping facilities DNR builds with our tax money so people can ride a horse around, or hike. How many acres of land do hiker and hunters have over us, yet we are entitled?

I see a recurring tone and theme to your posts on here, yotadude97. We all have them. But when I take all your posts from Reiter to seasonal closures into context, I see a dude whom when The Sisters corner you in Shawshank Prison you're the guy who immediately bends over, drops your undies and spreads your cheeks. "Well guys, if its what you say I have to do."

What is being done to good honest motorized recreationists is no different than what was being done to Jews in Germany during the late 30s. You are right. We will not accept the "necessary changes" because to most of us a getto until the gas chamber is unacceptable. We feel "entitled" to not going out that way.

I am a wheeler. I have found what I love to do. I will continue to do what I love even once your dreams come true and it is no longer legal to wheel in the US. I do not want to take anything from anyone else. I only want to be left alone to do what I want to do. I don't need your help or tax dollars, your "engineered million dollar ORV trails" or your horse and hiking areas. Like all the wheelers I know I want nothing I cannot provide for myself. This makes us the least entitled group in the country.

Entitled are the people who reach outside of their space and tell others what they can and cannot do. No man is more entitled than he who would make it his business to restrict or regulate the liberties of others. There is no higher definition of entitlement than to want an entire Wilderness area all to yourself. A Wilderness area I pay taxes on too.

 

[benw1]

I am a wheeler. I have found what I love to do. I will continue to do what I love even once your dreams come true and it is no longer legal to wheel in the US. I do not want to take anything from anyone else. I only want to be left alone to do what I want to do. I don't need your help or tax dollars, your "engineered million dollar ORV trails" or your horse and hiking areas. Like all the wheelers I know I want nothing I cannot provide for myself. This makes us the least entitled group in the country.

Entitled are the people who reach outside of their space and tell others what they can and cannot do. No man is more entitled than he who would make it his business to restrict or regulate the liberties of others. There is no higher definition of entitlement than to want an entire Wilderness area all to yourself. A Wilderness area I pay taxes on too.

benw likes this.

 

[YotaDude1997]

I see a recurring tone and theme to your posts on here, yotadude97.

I've seen you on here too. I have enjoyed and agreed with most of your posts.......this one included.:awesomework: If there were more of you, my posts could be different. But "we" are too few. Keep up the rhetoric.:cool: It's all we have left.

 

[Wrongway]

You know the best way to stop the closures? Donate your time to the Forrest Service. Get involved in their jobs, how do you think the tree huggers are so strong, they are the ones running the show! Back in the 60-70's they got college educations and took over the Forrest service. Their generations are still running it , and no one from any other form of recreation has stepped up to slow them down. Think about it!

 

[YotaDude1997]

Think about it!

This is the problem; they have.:eeek: And in their conclusions, some seem to think that keeping secrets saves them from personal responsibility. Wrong! Others are the opposite. They think that club runs and work parties will save the trails. Not true! Then there are the NWW'ers.:awesomework:They seem to think that typing on their keyboard will save themselves and the others.......somehow.:haha:

I don't know. I don't have the answers for ORV users. I'm not in the ORV jail any longer. I finally escaped last year.:beer:

 

[Mark m.]

This is the problem; they have.:eeek: And in their conclusions, some seem to think that keeping secrets saves them from personal responsibility. Wrong! Others are the opposite. They think that club runs and work parties will save the trails. Not true! Then there are the NWW'ers.:awesomework:They seem to think that typing on their keyboard will save themselves and the others.......somehow.:haha:

I don't know. I don't have the answers for ORV users. I'm not in the ORV jail any longer. I finally escaped last year.:beer:

Secrets are good:fawkdancesmiley:

 

[YotaDude1997]

Secrets are good:fawkdancesmiley:

Most secrets are actually common knowledge, if you think about it. It's when you stop thinking that the secrets morph into something they are not. :fawkdancesmiley::cool:

For instance: this thread has no impact on the opening, nor closure, of Van Epps trail and the surrounding ORV trails/area. Yet there has been emphasis placed, and assumptions made, that simply discussing an ORV area somehow puts it in danger.:eeek:

This is irrational secrecy. And.....it's not secret! See what I mean?

 

[CHOP SHOP]

Most secrets are actually common knowledge, if you think about it. It's when you stop thinking that the secrets morph into something they are not. :fawkdancesmiley::cool:

For instance: this thread has no impact on the opening, nor closure, of Van Epps trail and the surrounding ORV trails/area. Yet there has been emphasis placed, and assumptions made, that simply discussing an ORV area somehow puts it in danger.:eeek:

This is irrational secrecy. And.....it's not secret! See what I mean?

These subjects and threads are viewed by all sorts of folks that are NOT wheelers. They monitor activity here. I have seen proof of officials surfing this site for current "wheeler" info.



I dont think ANY good comes of talking about it on public forums.


Keep sharing all these places with the rest of the web and see how long it takes to overun it with traffic.




I dont know you, I have never seen you, I have never wheeled with you.

I have NO interest in discussing any wheeling spots with YOU on a PUBLIC forum.

 

[crash2]

One thing some off the road trail but this one is well publicized.

http://www.trailwiki.org/wiki/Van_Epps_Pass_Trail_4W302

 

[Mark m.]

Most secrets are actually common knowledge, if you think about it. It's when you stop thinking that the secrets morph into something they are not. :fawkdancesmiley::cool:

For instance: this thread has no impact on the opening, nor closure, of Van Epps trail and the surrounding ORV trails/area. Yet there has been emphasis placed, and assumptions made, that simply discussing an ORV area somehow puts it in danger.:eeek:

This is irrational secrecy. And.....it's not secret! See what I mean?

You are right none of this **** is secret it just took me along time to understand not to talk to much about places like this on the web or they seem to go away and I know that will happen anyway so I'm trying to just not help it along anymore.:hi: