Elbe Meeting outcome

Are you going to the Elbe meeting Thursday @ 7 pm?

  • Yes, I definately there.

    Votes: 27 71.1%

  • Maybe, If I can, I will.

    Votes: 5 13.2%

  • Nope. Can't make it, but would like to know what's going on.

    Votes: 6 15.8%
  • Total voters
    38
Crazy Daze said:
I am unsure what the DNRs plans are for the Busywild, even after going to the meeting. It seemed to me that they wanted to keep unprepared vehicles from entering the trail, and to control unneccesary erosion. Take some large rocks and put them at the beginning and end of the trail, dump some quickcrete around them so they don't get moved. This will act as a "gatekeeper". Large, easy to read signs can be lazer or plasma cut out of 3/4"thick steel plate and posted by the gatekeepers. As for the erosion, I did the trail today and saw about 4 mudholes that are 44"+ deep, but some people go there to play in the mud. Like Jim said, the crushed rock would do best making solid bypasses. And most drivers like having multiple lines to choose from. All of this could be easily accomplished if there was help from everyone that was at the meeting, and it would show the DNR that the majority of users at Elbe Hills OHV Park want to keep the Busywild trail challenging.
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I like your ideas and you are right about the people showing up to help out. We need a big showing. They need to get the work done and see the support and they need the match hours so they can get more funding. They got some good hours from the meeting We had 205 people X 2 hrs x $11.50 hr = $4715.00 in match funding. I am sure they liked that.
 
mud4funtoy said:
I like your ideas and you are right about the people showing up to help out. We need a big showing. They need to get the work done and see the support and they need the match hours so they can get more funding. They got some good hours from the meeting We had 205 people X 2 hrs x $11.50 hr = $4715.00 in match funding. I am sure they liked that.
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that was a public input meeting I really dont think that they give matching hours for it. Matter of fact I know that they dont. The only time meetings would count towards matching funds would be if a commitie was formed by DNR to study a given project. They dont tend to do this as it would be considered a waste of funds that are better used on the ground.
 
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Dogfather, Pokey, Mud4funtoy, Gibby:

Nancy replied to my email. She did NOT specifically address my concern about the future restrictions on the Busy. I sent her a follow up email and asked again the question.

She's concerned that (even though some of our message was both strongly presented with great vigor) that our solutions are fractured. She also strongly worried that the trees along the corridor are damaged. The damage didn't seem to worry her as much as the potential for bodily injury due to the trees' future instability (likelyhood of falling on us) due to our (the ORV users) repeated injury to the trees. Our pivoting, and climbing, and front digs, etc damage the roots and bark of the trees subjecting the trees to disease, injury, and probable death.

Before you respond, this is all MY paraphrasing.

For the other NWW readers, the last email I sent her was nearly 10000 characters and it far excedes the ability to PM or post.

Tony
 
pokey said:
that was a public input meeting I really dont think that they give matching hours for it. Matter of fact I know that they dont. The only time meetings would count towards matching funds would be if a commitie was formed by DNR to study a given project. They dont tend to do this as it would be considered a waste of funds that are better used on the ground.
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In the past the focus groups have counted towards volunteer hours as we've had to include out travel time on the signin sheets. I don't know if this will count but would be worth a try.
 
Gibby said:
In the past the focus groups have counted towards volunteer hours as we've had to include out travel time on the signin sheets. I don't know if this will count but would be worth a try.
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According to Arlene who sits on the IAC funding board. ONLY meetings of assigned commities are covered by the matching funds deal. Thats all I can tell you.
 
pokey said:
According to Arlene who sits on the IAC funding board. ONLY meetings of assigned commities are covered by the matching funds deal. Thats all I can tell you.
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In the past they have been counted and Doug wanted to make sure my wife faxed him the signatures for this reason he stressed the importance of it.
 
Wow, it's been 2 hours since Nancy sent out her big reply email and no one's commented yet?
 
gasman said:
Come on, dont leave us in susspence. What did it say?:masturbanana[1]:
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It said that all restrictions are permanent, all mud holes in the busy wild will be hardened with rock and she's going to close off the busywild when there's snow on the ground.

She was so ticked off about some issues (I haven't heard what they were) that she decided the heck with everyone!
 
Sorry, I just couldn't help myself...

Here's the actual email. She broadcast this to the list of everyone that gave her their email address.

Thank you all for attending the ORV Meeting on January 10. I have compiled the comments collected from the audience during the meeting. I have grouped the comments and questions into the categories below. Addressing these comments will set a standard in Elbe and guide the direction of the trail program for the ORV users. Everyone needs to take these issues back to their groups to discuss solutions. Completing some of this initial discussion before the next meeting on March 13, would be helpful. It would be most productive to work with dedicated representatives from all the clubs or informal groups of enthusiasts using Elbe.


When any solution is considered please keep in mind the priorities of the Department for any trail system:

1st User safety

2nd Environmental and resource protection (Includes habitat, timber revenue, volunteer efforts, and dollar

investments)

3rd Aesthetics



Trail Comments and Questions

Trails need gatekeepers to educate users about the trail

Where did a wheelbase restriction come from?

Why spend money to make the trails hard?

Busywild is overused
 
Thank you for posting this. I do NOT have her email either at work or home. And I know for a FACT that she has both email addresses. :eeek:
 
TreeClimber said:
Thank you for posting this. I do NOT have her email either at work or home. And I know for a FACT that she has both email addresses. :eeek:
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I replied to everyone on her list and had a couple bounce back as a bad email addy... Maybe she typed some of them in wrong??????


It was quite a large distribution list. About 50 people I'd say.
 
Gibby.

I'm really not sure what's best here. Letting the 'natural complacency' of group mentality take hold and simply downplaying this meeting a little to diminish the attendance. OR, having Steve (Mud4funtoy) hype it up like he did last time and really get a big group together again.

The DNR is fully prepared (via that response) to impliment restrictions on the Busy.

The DNR feels that this is the only way to sanction (punish) those individuals responsible for idiocy on the Busy (due to too large of a vehicle for the existing trail conditions)

And I have HUGE! reseverations about having restrictions implimented.

Ergo, my dilema. The (prior) meeting was at best marginally successful. The DNR is still contemplating restrictions. The ONLY good thing is that the DNR saw how large a group of people this effects and will realize that we can gather en-masse if needed. Regarding an effective plan in lieu of the restrictions, well let's just say we certainly didn't put forth any 'group' point of view. Just a bunch of 'individual' ideas.
 
I think Gibby is right. I did not attend the meeting, but from I can tell it was not a working meeting, but more of an info. sharing and gathering meeting. That is fine for large group settings. But for decisions to be made, you need a "Tiger Team" that can champion the issues and work the processes without getting mired in bureaucracy that is inherit in large dynamic group settings.
 
How many times have we heard that we need to get more people involved in these issues? Now you want to propose changes that would keep people from being involved in these meetings?
:rolleyes:
 
Binder said:
How many times have we heard that we need to get more people involved in these issues? Now you want to propose changes that would keep people from being involved in these meetings?
:rolleyes:
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maybe we can get the DNR guy to have a productive meeting instead of the lets go home deal. he was a dork and does not care. just full of BS.

the dnr heard us and butterd us up now says nothings changed.:booo:

lets get the same group at all these meetings together and sooner or later they will have to make decisions at a meeting in front of people instead of shuffling everybody home so they can opperate as usual:booo:
 

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