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This is my approach at Elbe... Nancy and the DNR have been working with us in this direction...
Instead of closing a section, we build a solid by-pass, control run off and keep the difficult line...
A lot of users down here are following suit...
Boonie Buster
Stuck on a Curb
^^^^^The Proper Audience^^^^^
Binder
Well-Known Member
I have to say I'm not a big fan of the bypass idea though. Sometimes it may be a solution but most of the time it's not. Most of the time it will show the uneducated people that bypasses are OK and they will go build their own where they want.
I can't speak for Crash, but I talk Nancy threw my ideas and she has been very reseptive...
I also preach it when on the trail, explaining to other users while they are at a particular section... A lot of times everyone will start to brain storm an idea while on the trail...
I have to say I'm not a big fan of the bypass idea though. Sometimes it may be a solution but most of the time it's not. Most of the time it will show the uneducated people that bypasses are OK and they will go build their own where they want.
The by-passes are rocked in and obvious... There are signs available to us as well that say, "stay on the trail" and such... They can be posted around the area to help... I would like to see signage that says "Legal By-Pass" or something of that matter...
jeremyfc1
Member
exactly... as the thread i posted showed in the video couldnt make it one way tries another and still no go... y do u need to rut it up in the wet season? just wait ... i love wheelin but dont see a point in mudding. if u want to take the family out camping y u gotta go there ... only ten billion other places to go. its your family will have fun either way
This is something else that I have talked about...
We do have a sign on the Busy that says Easy Way/Hard Way at the by-pass for the lower mud holes...
Most of this stuff we go over at the focus group meetings... But, most of the people I wheel with talk about these things while we are on the trail...
boardbysled
Tree Nerd.
I like this idea, and believe that other DNR ORV parks should follow a similar idea.
But, as Binder said, its all site specific, sometimes a bypass is the answer, sometimes its not.
I also find it funny that bypasses that are bypassing hard parts of the trail generally don't get blocked, but bypasses that are adding some challenge to the trail almost always get blocked. Just some bit of the hypocrisy that is in the wheeling world.
I think another good resource for education is boards like this. Maybe some sort of sign that points in some of the local boards directions.
Well If your in like flynn with nancy maybe you may one to take a day run out there and start marking off some spots for new signage and creating sustainable bypasses? I am more than willing to head out with you. I will also talk to derick over at Evans and see what he thinks of this Idea maybe I can run up there one day and do evans and me and derick can present it to bob. Although there is not many places that need a bypass at evans.
boardbysled
Tree Nerd.
The only problem is, you invest tons of volunteer hours and some volunteer $$$ into signs, and a week later, they are gone, shot up, or plowed over.
The only signs that seem to stand up are the green dot/reflector style signs.
crash2
-Oh no I picked a side-
Thats called a good working relationship between volunteers and the land managers--something we DO NEED and thank you for the hard work doing what you do...
But until the users get the idea/educated we will continue to battle ourselfs for what lands we have left.
The only problem is, you invest tons of volunteer hours and some volunteer $$$ into signs, and a week later, they are gone, shot up, or plowed over.
The only signs that seem to stand up are the green dot/reflector style signs.
Thats why you hang them High like the ones in Tahuya or the easy way hard way signs at ELBE. The have been there for along time. There are ways around this. We just have to use them.
Poohbair
Pabst O'Holic
What a **** show... :eeek:
The sign on the Busy was cut out by Clark... I would like to see a lot more of these...
Maybe we can get together sometime and I can help you out. I know a guy who might be very interested in something like this too he has all the GPS stuff to map the trails and bypasses and then put them in map format. He runs http://nwjeepn.com/ maybe he would let me use his stuff and we could map it and present it to DNR so Nancy has something to propose.
Boonie Buster
Stuck on a Curb
I have to say I'm not a big fan of the bypass idea though. Sometimes it may be a solution but most of the time it's not. Most of the time it will show the uneducated people that bypasses are OK and they will go build their own where they want.
They already do this regardless of a "built" by-pass or not...
One could argue that if it's there, they wouldn't be prone to creating their own. Except for the hardcore buggy morons that want a REAL challenge...:stirpot:
