90's throw back....Manche build

[mcutler]

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Appreciate it guys.



Well no good updates yet. Been having some issues with this used front housing. Discovered today that the short side of the housing is bent. So much so that the axle shaft will not seat in the inner c due to interference with the bell of the c. I suppose before I junk this housing and invest a couple more grand on a new housing and new c's, I'm going to cut the tube at the weld to the center section and attempt to get everything back in line. I can sleeve it internally, and there will be a truss for the steering ram. Any suggestions? The housing will be junk anyway if this doesn't work.

Matt

Matt

 

[Rokcrler]

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Let me know if you junk it

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[bjeep]

Retube that one side and call it good. :dunno:

 

[EsPowell]

Those tubes look really thin. How think is that material?


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[mcutler]

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3.5", .250 wall

Edit: I have room to slip in a 3", .120 sleeve all the way back to the seal, welded on both ends, plugged on the tube, and of course welded as back up to the initial cut to straighten the section.

Matt

 

[wizzo]

Cut, sleeve & rock out! I'd be surprised if you could heat and straiten that side but what I guess you could try before you cut. :dunno:

 

[mcutler]

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That's my game plan as of now wizzo

Matt

 

[mcutler]

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Finally, front axle under the truck, everything moved into position, aside from the rear axle may move back another 1-2 inches, sitting at 115" wb now.

Next workday will finally be gluing some junk together...

Matt

 

[MoparMan]

Holy set back engine Batman! hitit :driving: :dblthumb:

 

[mcutler]

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Yes it is. I wish I could bring it back a few more inches. The passenger head is even with the door opening. The fire wall, dog box, will be interesting to create.



In my buggy the crank was 18" behind my front axle tube. I'm trying to get the same balance with this build, (buggy was 53/47). I think I can with a mounted spare aft of the axle.



With trying to maintain the outward appearance of the truck, the front fender opening has shoehorned me to slide everything back to get full uptravel, and to the keep tire out of the headlights.



Matt

Matt

 

[the_white_shadow]

Are those headers facing forward for a turbo or two?

 

[mcutler]

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Yes facing forward, no to turbo. I've got enough hp for now. Just using these to keep exhaust heat out of the cab, with the motor so far back. They'll merge and travel down the passenger side.

Matt

 

[sledneck]

Please keep (at least) the bed sides on this thing so it looks like a MJ. Awesome build :dblthumb: I'm not even in the market and I can't wait for this to come up for sale.

 

[mcutler]

This post is a copy from nc4x4, gives a little detail of my plans. But yes, I will be keeping besides. Btw, I'm on the five year plan of building and selling my personal rides. But I'd be happy to entertain building something for someone...

The quote is from shawn, proprietor of NC4x4

[quote uid=2 name="shawn" post=1435916]If you had asked me this morning where the motor and front axle were going to end up, I would have said that the axle was 2-3" further forward and the motor was 4-6" closer to the axle tube. Tough to say from the pictures how it's all going to come together, but are you going to have enough room in the footwell if the tire is stuffed and turned? It all looks pretty snug.[/QUOTE]

I'm sure the footwell will get somewhat deleted. The combo of the 39" tire and wanting to keep it centered in the fenderwell, along with uptravel has shoehorned me to push the motor back. I wish I could push it back 4 more inches. The crank pulley was 18" behind the axle in the buggy. It's all part of this stupid challenge I put on myself. It would be easier to build a buggy, or if jeep had made an extended cab manche...But I've built a buggy, and enjoyed it. And now, everyone has a buggy....or is building one. But, how many people have a Comanche that performs like a buggy?... but the occupants stay dry and warm[emoji14]
....plus I can take one of my boys for a ride to get an ice cream cone.

One factor that will keep the tire from invading too much is the deep backspacing of the wheels, 4.75. This in turn brings the scrub radius down, allowing the outermost corners of the tire to make a smaller circle through the cycle. I will not sacrifice uptravel. I will drop tire size to 37 before I lose uptravel. I also will not delete the headlights or narrow the hood. And, I'm pretty sure I'm not going to dovetail or chop the bedsides, tailgate undecided...but I will have good approach and departure angles. Needs to look like a Comanche for me to feel I've done what I set out to do.

I have 16" 2.5 c/o for the front, and will soon be ordering my 14's for the rear along with 2.5" travel bumps front and 4" travel on the rear. Shooting for 18-20 wheel travel on rear axle with trailing arms with motion ratio, and a 1:1 ratio up front. If I can get the geometry where I need it, most likely won't use a sway bar, but the tube will be there in case I add it later.

Great question Shawn.

Matt

 

[44BRAND]

Are those headers facing forward for a turbo or two?

I was thinking the same thing when I saw that. Like the idea of keeping the heat out of the cab as much as possible also, this is going to be an awesome MOCHIINNE!! as Johnny Cash would say. :woot:

 

[mcutler]

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Well, I've finally got all my geometry mapped out. I've been eyeballing this subframe from Goatbuilt for months. And after doing all the geo, it looks like his subframe is going to work on the money. It is soon to be on the way from Wisconsin....along with skids, engine cross member, atlas support, fuel cell with the ring to use a factory gm internal fuel pump([emoji41] ) and a few other trinkets. Drew, the owner, has some ingenious solutions to building a buggy. Also very easy to speak with, and excited that I have build threads to show my work.

The geometry is nearly identical, front and rear, with adjustment. For my current layout at 115"wb, 18-19" belly, in the center adj hole-
72% antisquat/dive, with -2°,-4° understeer rear/front respectively. I'm pretty stoked that all this will work with the Goatbuilt unit.


Matt

 

[TBItoy]

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Very cool to see a platform solution in use with a bodied rig.

 

[bjeep]

Did you get the axle fixed?
If so. How?

drool :popcorn:

 

[mcutler]

Yes. I first pulled the inner seal, and cut the tube. Then I wedged the cut to get the alignment, at which time all the angles fell into place. I then sleeved the tube with 3"x.250, and welded on both ends. Redid the outside link tab, and replated. The steering truss will also support this solution. All is good now.

I'm looking forward to putting this platform into this project. I really like the plate work versus the round tube as well.

Matt

 

[Jduck]

Awesome build! Looking forward to watching this come together.

 

[Hudson1]

My new rig is a Goat Built. You will be very pleased with his attention to detail and his support.

 

[mcutler]

Got a great little pallet of stuff yesterday. Will have progress pics next week....finally. Appreciate all the interest and patience.



Thanks Drew @<b><a href="http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/member.php?u=9988" target="_blank">Goat</a></b>built for the fast shipping and great product and excellent packaging.

Matt

Matt

 

[mcutler]

Got a great little pallet of stuff yesterday. Will have progress pics next week....finally. Appreciate all the interest and patience.



Thanks Drew @Goatbuilt for the fast shipping and great product and excellent packaging.

Matt

 

[mcutler]

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Sorry for the double post, not sure how that happened. Mod can delete the first if needed.

Matt

 

[mcutler]

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Got a great little pallet of stuff yesterday. Will have progress pics next week....finally. Appreciate all the interest and patience.


Thanks Drew at Goatbuilt for the fast shipping and great product and excellent packaging.

Matt

Matt

 

[mcutler]

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Sorry again...

Matt

 

[mcutler]

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Wow...lots of welding today.



First I must say, I am truly impressed with this sub-frame! I can only imagine the time Drew spent at the drawing board for this unit. The most impressive design cue to me as a welder, is that he has engineered it so that there will be full penetration on ALL welds. Which tells me he's not just a smart guy with 3d modeling, but a builder as well! I can truly appreciate the work he put into designing this and I must say he should charge double for the sub-frame alone!

Pic heavy..

Matt

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[mcutler]

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[mcutler]

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[mcutler]

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