Drinking and Wheeling

Nuzzy · Nov 10, 2006

CrustyJeep said:
If you aren't capable of such judgement, then I guess the government is in fact saving you from yourself.

:haha: :haha: :haha:

archer1965 · Nov 10, 2006

CrustyJeep said:
Just because you can't doesn't mean others can't.

Part of "compensation" is knowing how much you can drink for any given situation, and refraining from certain activities when you've had too much to do them safely. If you aren't capable of such judgement, then I am sorry.

I do think I can compensate when impaired, but I've learned that I really can't.
if by 'certain activities' you mean driving, then I agree with you.
I know I can drink a sixer if I'm watching a football game in the recliner and headed to bed when it's over. 1.5 beers per quarter :haha:

CrustyJeep · Nov 10, 2006

archer1965 said:
if by 'certain activities' you mean driving, then I agree with you.

It's true of absolutely everything.

You can drink and swim if you like, but you're probly better off not drinking very much. And you have been drinking a fair bit, it might be smart to stay out of the deep end.

Are you trying to tell me that you get so drunk you're unable to judge that you don't belong in the deep end?

I guess we need a new law then huh?

archer1965 · Nov 10, 2006

CrustyJeep said:
Are you trying to tell me that you get so drunk you're unable to judge that you don't belong in the deep end?

:wtf: Never said anything about swimming, I thought the thread was about drinking and wheeling (at least that's the ***le). Are you so drunk you can't stay on topic? :haha: :haha: :haha:

CrustyJeep · Nov 10, 2006

archer1965 said:
:wtf: Never said anything about swimming, I thought the thread was about drinking and wheeling (at least that's the ***le). Are you so drunk you can't stay on topic? :haha: :haha: :haha:

Why is it any different?

archer1965 · Nov 10, 2006

CrustyJeep said:
Why is it any different?

going back to my previous post

archer1965 said:
I do think I can compensate when impaired, but I've learned that I really can't.

I guess I should have said "I used to think I could compensate"

does that work better for ya? :corn:

CrustyJeep · Nov 10, 2006

archer1965 said:
going back to my previous post

I guess I should have said "I used to think I could compensate"

does that work better for ya? :corn:

No, because you're using that as an argument that nobody can compensate.

Jaydog · Nov 10, 2006

People who think they can compensate are only fooling themselves. Drinking and Driving is wrong whether on the trail or on the roads, there are enough obstacles to overcome without impairment.

archer1965 · Nov 10, 2006

Jaydog said:
People who think they can compensate are only fooling themselves. Drinking and Driving is wrong whether on the trail or on the roads, there are enough obstacles to overcome without impairment.

Thank you :D

CrustyJeep · Nov 10, 2006

Jaydog said:
Drinking and Driving is wrong whether on the trail or on the roads

OK let's examine that.

WHY is it wrong? Explain to me why drinking and driving is *always* wrong under *all* circumstances.

Nuzzy · Nov 10, 2006

*edit* never mind. I'm retarded. On with the show...

Jaydog · Nov 10, 2006

CrustyJeep said:
OK let's examine that.

WHY is it wrong? Explain to me why drinking and driving is *always* wrong under *all* circumstances.

Well maybe we should ask the guy that killed my grandpa, or maybe the guy that killed my dads wife, they probably thought that they could compensate, drinking clouds your judgement no matter who you are, operating a vehicle when your judgement is clouded is not EVER safe.

TreeClimber · Nov 10, 2006

Jaydog said:
Well maybe we should ask the guy that killed my grandpa, or maybe the guy that killed my dads wife, they probably thought that they could compensate, drinking clouds your judgement no matter who you are, operating a vehicle when your judgement is clouded is not EVER safe.

My sympathies to you and your family.

But Crusty is right in that he's posing the ALWAYS and EVERY question, which in this world of GREYS, almost nothing is truly Black and White......

If'n I'm in Tahuya, by myself, with NOBODY -but- Nobody else in the woods, and I drink only one beer, not two, but only one..... Then?

Weifallo · Nov 10, 2006

TreeClimber said:
If'n I'm in Tahuya, by myself, with NOBODY -but- Nobody else in the woods, and I drink only one beer, not two, but only one..... Then?

Well that's just silly becuase you should never wheel alone :D :flipoff:

archer1965 · Nov 10, 2006

TreeClimber said:
If'n I'm in Tahuya, by myself, with NOBODY -but- Nobody else in the woods, and I drink only one beer, not two, but only one..... Then?

Good point. Another good point is drinking and driving is illegal.

CrustyJeep · Nov 10, 2006

Jaydog said:
Well maybe we should ask the guy that killed my grandpa, or maybe the guy that killed my dads wife, they probably thought that they could compensate, drinking clouds your judgement no matter who you are, operating a vehicle when your judgement is clouded is not EVER safe.

But you didn't answer my question.

Further, your assertion that "operating a vehicle when your judgement is clouded is not EVER safe" is false.

If I put my little car in the middle of the salt flats 100 miles from anything and proceed to drink a pint of whiskey and then drive around in circles until I sober up, please specify the safety concern. If you find a concern that effects MY safety, please specify how that's anybody's business but my own.

After a ****ty day at work (that's most days), my judgement is most definately clouded by my uncontrollable urge to get the fawk home ASAP. By your logic, I should not be allowed to operate a motor vehicle after work, ever.

Jaydog · Nov 10, 2006

There is always an exception to every rule, but nine times out of ten, one leads to two and so on.

I also don't agree with wheeling alone, but that is for another topic.

CrustyJeep · Nov 10, 2006

Weifallo said:
Well that's just silly becuase you should never wheel alone :D :flipoff:

There ought to be a law I tells ya!!!! :flipoff:

Nuzzy · Nov 10, 2006

Jaydog said:
Well maybe we should ask the guy that killed my grandpa, or maybe the guy that killed my dads wife, they probably thought that they could compensate, drinking clouds your judgement no matter who you are, operating a vehicle when your judgement is clouded is not EVER safe.

Could you then say that one should not operate rollerblades while drinking because they run into someone else hurting them? How about no running while drinking?

Where's the line? Some may argue that putting along at 5 mph in low range does not constitute grave danger, any more than rollerblading down the boardwalk after drinking...

CrustyJeep · Nov 10, 2006

Jaydog said:
There is always an exception to every rule

Not to this one there isn't. If I am found sitting in my Jeep with the engine off in the middle of nowhere, nobody within a mile, intoxicated, I can be hauled off to jail.

Weifallo · Nov 10, 2006

Nuzzy said:
Could you then say that one should not operate rollerblades while drinking because they run into someone else hurting them? How about no running while drinking?

Where's the line? Some may argue that putting along at 5 mph in low range does not constitute grave danger, any more than rollerblading down the boardwalk after drinking...

Rollerblading down a boardwalk drunk could fall into the category of drunk in public... which you can also get in trouble for:

"The criminal charge being of "drunk in public" actually requires more than a person being drunk and being in public: the legal standard usually requires that a person be so drunk as to be a danger to themselves or others before the law will intervene."

Jaydog · Nov 10, 2006

CrustyJeep said:
But you didn't answer my question.

Further, your assertion that "operating a vehicle when your judgement is clouded is not EVER safe" is false.

If I put my little car in the middle of the salt flats 100 miles from anything and proceed to drink a pint of whiskey and then drive around in circles until I sober up, please specify the safety concern. If you find a concern that effects MY safety, please specify how that's anybody's business but my own.

After a ****ty day at work (that's most days), my judgement is most definately clouded by my uncontrollable urge to get the fawk home ASAP. By your logic, I should not be allowed to operate a motor vehicle after work, ever.

We are discussing drinking on the trail, Most people wheel with others, not in a salt flat, but if you need to throw analogies around to feel justified in drinking then by all means go have a few.

crash2 · Nov 10, 2006

I can't believe you guys are arguing over drinking and driving :rolleyes:

CrustyJeep · Nov 10, 2006

Weifallo said:
"The criminal charge being of "drunk in public" actually requires more than a person being drunk and being in public: the legal standard usually requires that a person be so drunk as to be a danger to themselves or others before the law will intervene."

That just rubs me the wrong way.

What that says is, if I become drunk and stupid enough to put myself in some sort of danger, I can be forced to pay the state a monetary fine and probly spend the night in jail.

WHAT THE FAWK?

CrustyJeep · Nov 10, 2006

Jaydog said:
We are discussing drinking on the trail, Most people wheel with others, not in a salt flat, but if you need to throw analogies around to feel justified in drinking then by all means go have a few.

It's a little thing we like to call "logic". It's fun.

TreeClimber · Nov 10, 2006

And to answer the question

I started wheeling mid 80s.... at that time a big tire was a 31, and only a few of us had 33s. I was in my early 20s, and yes I did have a beer or two on the trails. I can't ever remember having three beers.... Ever. Was too afraid it would hurt my driving. Not really worried about damaging the Jeep. Not really worried about hurting myself or my passangers. I can distinctly remember getting adreniline (sp) rushes to the point where I actually wanted the sedative benefits of a beer.

Since then, both society and myself have changed.

Mothers Against Drunk Driving have influenced society. Cops don't pour your booze out and send you home.... Now you go to jail. Now you spend thousands on attorneys. Now insurance is an issue. Drinking and Driving is Societally Wrong. Good. Bad. Indifferant. I don't make the rules.

I don't ever drink on the trail anymore. Not that I think a beer would impair me enough. And yes I have seen and heard of fatalities out wheeling from that "one little error". I just kinda quit and really for no reason.

I also don't really think it's a real issue out there. If you wanna drink a beer or two, but I think you're reasonable, I'll wheel with you. If you drink a bunch, you can do your thing - and I'll go do mine.

crash2 · Nov 10, 2006

CrustyJeep said:
It's a little thing we like to call "logic". It's fun.

Logic tells me drinking and driving is wrong...

Nuzzy · Nov 10, 2006

Weifallo said:
Rollerblading down a boardwalk drunk could fall into the category of drunk in public... which you can also get in trouble for:

"The criminal charge being of "drunk in public" actually requires more than a person being drunk and being in public: the legal standard usually requires that a person be so drunk as to be a danger to themselves or others before the law will intervene."

So then by your own quote, being "buzzed" in public is completely tolerable :Good:

And since I started this thread with 2 basic guidlines, one being that the topic was debating buzzed, NOT drunk...

We find ourselves with a negated argument :D :corn:

TreeClimber · Nov 10, 2006

Weifallo said:
Well that's just silly becuase you should never wheel alone :D :flipoff:

That's why I have a girly-friend. :D

When you drink and drive, don't park. Accidents cause people.

Jaydog · Nov 10, 2006

Nuzzy said:
Could you then say that one should not operate rollerblades while drinking because they run into someone else hurting them? How about no running while drinking?

Where's the line? Some may argue that putting along at 5 mph in low range does not constitute grave danger, any more than rollerblading down the boardwalk after drinking...

Remember the guy that got killed on the upper 311, he got pinned between two rigs,(I am not saying that alcohol was involved) Things like that happen to sober people, but if your not paying 100% attention, someone could die, I just don't think it is worth taking a chance on someone else's life.