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I have been sitting back quietly watching all of this unfold. I know as much as about this entire project as anyone as I have been behind the scenes with Pops and Adam the entire time. This is a sad situation because I really had faith that David would be able to pull it off. I remember when Adam sent me the very first design, long before anything was ever posted here. It was a great looking design and what is was being built now is nothing like what was drawn out in the beginning. I have encouraged Adam a while now to see this through but yesterday was when I lost all confidence in it and agreed with Adam it was time to pull the plug before any more time and money was wasted. It is really a shame because this could have been such a great project for David to get out there with his name on it because whatever Adam is in he is going to drive it hard and with the right parts like he has now he will put it out front.

It is really a bad deal for both parties involved. I really believe David has the skills to do the work, he just needs direction. It may be that he needs to work for the man and not be the man. As for Adam, he will bounce back. It will just take a little more time now.
 
He most def needs to work for the man, not be the man.


jp fan said:
I hate to here that a medical condition is messing up this guys dreams of his own business good luck on the next venture it does take alot of guts to go out on your own and tons of hard times hope you can work through this and come out on top

It doesn't take as much guts to go out on your own, when you don't really have that much to lose. Now he'll go right back under somebody's wing, just as he was before, being fed direction and doing sufficient fab work. I'm sure he lost some money on the whole deal, but was it substantial? We already know some guy bought him $5k worth of **** to work with, so it ain't like that money came out of his pocket.
 
redneckengineered said:
Serious question. I don't personally know you or your son, but I know of you all and I know that y'all are not new to racing or the Ultra 4 thing. What made you trust a completely unproven builder, that has never actually built an entire car from scratch, with a high end Ultra 4 build? Not only that, but a builder that couldn't even finish a Jeep cage on time or produce what the customer asked for.


As I looked through the "vendor section" on Hardline, he had a post up about "bomber nation". I figured if Randy could trust David, I could too. I contacted David about building a DOM chassis and he led me on to believe that he could build something similar, but this is far from it.

That drawing on page 1 is nothing more than a fancy napkin doodle. Did you see those jankity ass trailing arms? What about the seat sitting over the motor so you can warm your ass? How about that abortion of a monster tube truss on the axle housing? I'm guessing those little details were not discussed. Not to mention it still doesn't look like the screen drawing. Why he did not just assemble a bomber and call it a day is beyond me but I guess this is all part of his master plan to show us how far ahead of the curve he is.

Everything that has been done was not in our discussions. Why try to reinvent the wheel when it works?
 
I hope David can sleep better than I can. I won't sleep until I get what's left of my parts. This is a huge financial and time set back for me. It will take me several months to bounce back from this. I feel like I should have an almost complete car and be racing soon. I guess I am starting from scratch
 
From the attitude David has discussed on here and the fact that very little of the money lost is his, what is to keep him from hooking another sucker?
 
I never for once would have trusted Dynamite to build me so much as a go-cart or a pedal car, much less a timeline sensitive, intricate, top performing buggy. There are some things that are just no-brainers, where it is always wise to go with a reputable business to ensure you get what you want. If so much was at risk, needed by a deadline, now the deadline wasn't met and it's catastrophic, etc., I still can't see why Dynamite was trusted with this build. I had bet from the start that this would be a fail. I haven't seen him/them build **** on their own that has impressed me.

I don't really know Mr. Carter, and props to him for giving a new business the chance at opportunity. That's good and all, but that would be better suited if he were building a buggy for recreation only, with no tedious deadlines to meet. I mean you just don't give some no name kid the responsibility of that magnitude when you need **** to get done and be right, especially when he/they have no background of products he/they have finished on their own.

Tough deal, but I just can't allow myself to be overly sympathetic here, because common sense should have been a red flag not to trust Dynamite with this build, from the start.
 
So if I buy a year supply of aderal I too can have a bad ass buggy? :****: :woot:
 
rednecklights said:
Did you lose money on labor and tube work ?

Since he ****ed up where are YOU losing the money at


Jon Piper

Seriously? ::)

Just going to take a stab but his brand new parts have been partially installed, bare housing now has some ****ed up truss welded all over it, I don't know any builders that start a project with no money down for tube and labor. And they're is probably even more to the story I don't know. Either way I'm sure Adam lost plenty and it appears got ****ed with no lube by a bull**** artist extraordinaire that should be cleaning toilets at Walmart
 
TacomaJD said:
Wow, another chassis nearly fabricated that looks nothing like the CAD design.


That other build posted on NC4x4 is mine. The original idea was to do a full chassis but decided against it for multiple reasons, hence the completely different look from the drawings.

The build is going mostly like I want. However, I'm only a couple of hours away from David and have made multiple visits to discuss details, etc. my original chassis was salvaged from the fire and all I did was rework the seating area and transfer case mount and rear shock mounts. Obviously the cell and rear storage area had to be reworked but most of the work is as expected.

I've trusted David and will continue to do so until I'm screwed. I think what has been working for me is that I make frequent visits and the scope of work was minor compared to Adam, plus my rig will be a recreational rig and doesn't have a major deadline.

Adam, I'm sorry your experience isn't working out for you and I hope you get your buggy finally built.

Rob
 
Good luck to you! Hope it works out! Recreation or not, still a lot of $$$. Hope you are satisfied with the end product!

And welcome to Hardline! :drinkers:
 
Joshua1086 said:
First off I want to apologize to the Carter Family as I personally take some responsibility in this.

Josh, I'm glad as hell that you finally posted something. Since you and I talked, I have had people tell me that you're a liar and things didn't really go down like you said they did. I've also had people tell me that I purposely set David up because I wanted him to fail so that I could put him out of business. This, of course, despite the fact that you and I had pretty much identical experiences, and now the same story has played out with several other clients.

You can't feel guilty about what happened to anyone else. We're all adults, and we fell for the same line.

I hate that it happened, but I hope we can all move on. I figure that I might have our junk straightened out in another few months to the point where my wife isn't afraid to drive it anymore. In the meantime, if I find something on our rig that is inexplicably f'd up, I have one word for it: dynamite.
 
Did we ever figure out..
What is welding?
 

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rck0203 said:
That other build posted on NC4x4 is mine. The original idea was to do a full chassis but decided against it for multiple reasons, hence the completely different look from the drawings.

Rob

Nah, that's just how they roll. You should see the solidworks model he sent me vs the first attempt or two in solid metal.
 
saf-t scissors said:
Josh, I'm glad as hell that you finally posted something. Since you and I talked, I have had people tell me that you're a liar and things didn't really go down like you said they did. I've also had people tell me that I purposely set David up because I wanted him to fail so that I could put him out of business. This, of course, despite the fact that you and I had pretty much identical experiences, and now the same story has played out with several other clients.

You can't feel guilty about what happened to anyone else. We're all adults, and we fell for the same line.

I hate that it happened, but I hope we can all move on. I figure that I might have our junk straightened out in another few months to the point where my wife isn't afraid to drive it anymore. In the meantime, if I find something on our rig that is inexplicably f'd up, I have one word for it: dynamite.

Wait, who are you in this jumbled up story of chaos? lol. Another money contributing Dynamite business funder that lost money also? :dunno: ???
 
Yup.

David and I parted ways both feeling like we got screwed. Given the situation, that seemed like the best possible outcome. I basically decided to only share my story with a few select friends based on David's promise that it would never happen again. But what happened to Adam is pretty much exactly what happened to everybody else that has ever tried to do business with David.

I like Rob, and I consider him to be a friend. I sincerely hope that he doesn't have the same experience that the rest of us have had.
 
So, are you the Tacoma guy? If not, where's that poor guy in all of this? ??? ??? :dunno:
 
saf-t scissors said:
Yup.

David and I parted ways both feeling like we got screwed. Given the situation, that seemed like the best possible outcome. I basically decided to only share my story with a few select friends based on David's promise that it would never happen again. But what happened to Adam is pretty much exactly what happened to everybody else that has ever tried to do business with David.

I like Rob, and I consider him to be a friend. I sincerely hope that he doesn't have the same experience that the rest of us have had.

So what rig/chassis did you have?
 
Lots of good points made. I would love to start answering questions but as of now we'll wait til some things finalize.There was money paid way before the build ever started out of goodness to help out.Big mistake.I to encouraged Adam to give him time but once I started seeing pics it just wasn't going to work.This build was originally agreed on to save Adam the time of fabing a chassie from scratch,that he doesn't have as much of now and give David a chance to get HIS product out on the race course.Adam has built lots of trail rigs and has built and sold,I think 5 comp cars from crawlers to desert rock racers.He has his 2010 2 set car at the shop for sale for the owners now.His single seat car is almost ready to sell now.This car is teched and Best in the desert number banded by Ultra 4.Which means its ready to race any offroad race anywhere.Just a little back ground info so if anyone questions weather he knows what it takes to be competitive in an Ultra 4 race.I hope after this weekend everything works out for both parties.I'll update when the dust clears.Thanks for everyone's concerns and input.Later
 
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Shaun,

I would love to know who called me a liar and what role they play in this situation. I have done nothing but help david and held my end of the bargain well beyond what i should have.

When **** went south I picked up my jeep left the tools and material i bought and left. I didnt ask for anything in return and i was 5k in the hole.

Later when i seen that David was earning money with MY TOOLS i asked that he would return them as he could afford to.

I would love for someone to tell me i am lieing, dishonest or that i could have handled this any better or nicer.
 
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Joshua1086 said:
Shaun,

I would love to know who called me a liar and what role they play in this situation. I have done nothing but help david and held my end of the bargain well beyond what i should have.

When **** went south I picked up my jeep left the tools and material i bought and left. I didnt ask for anything in return and i was 5k in the hole.

Later when i seen that David was earning money with MY TOOLS i asked that he would return them as he could afford to.

I would love for someone to tell me i am lieing, dishonest or that i could have handled this any better or nicer.

If I find out where it's coming from, I'll let you know. So far, it's all been "Well, I heard..." sewing circle bull****.
 
Elliott said:
What did you not like about your jeep?

I took David a stockish TJ (D30/D35), a Currie gas tank, a pair of used Dynatrac JK44 axles, and a small pile of misc stuff. I asked him to build a simple, no-frills cage ("race car chic") that allowed use of the stock seat belts, stock soft top, and had as much head room as possible, given those constraints. When the axles were new, they would have been bolt-in for a TJ, but the previous owner modified them over the years, setting them up for coil-overs front and back and reworking the front track bar. I asked him to put them back stock-ish, so they'd bolt in with coils and shocks. This meant adding coil buckets and shock mounts on both ends. The front track bar mount was in the way and needed to be modified (or some other resolution found). The link mounts were unmodified. The front had a JK track bar on it, which I wouldn't have minded keeping (they're reasonably strong so long as the tires don't get big, they're readily available, and I already owned it), but I wasn't married to the idea if it didn't work out. The gas tank was mostly a bolt-in affair, but the exhaust was in the way. I sent along an old J-bend that I had so the exhaust could get moved out of the way.

Once David had the Jeep, I also asked him to build a proper transmission crossmember and a new skid plate. I figured that with the amount of suspension work that was going on, it was probably a good idea to get the driveline angles right the first time.

When I went to pick up the Jeep, it was already a few weeks overdue. The plan was to pick it up at noon on Saturday, go spend the weekend shaking it down and camping with the kids, then the next weekend we were gone to a wheeling event. The following weekend was free, then we were leaving on Weds to go to Dixie Run. David knew that it needed to be "right", and that we wheel with our two kids (3 and 18mos at the time).

When I arrived on Saturday, there wasn't much that was finished. The soft top had never been installed, they were in the middle of bleeding brakes, the gas tank had never had fuel in it, etc. David, Josh (with the Tacoma), and myself spent the next six hours bashing on it to get it to the point where it would roll out of the shop.

The following is a brief list of the deficiencies:

Fixed before we left the shop:
Front seat belt height adjusters (at front seat shoulders) installed upside down
Torqued lug nuts to spec, put red lock-***e on spacer lugs
One lug nut was actually an acorn nut installed upside down
Left front shock bolt missing at bar pin (the bolt they found and installed was mismatched, undersized)
Brake fluid low
Seat bolts missing, others not tight
Transfer case linkage not attached at transmission
Transfer case linkage bolts at body missing

Found later that night or over the next several weeks:

Front track bar jam nuts loose (one backed off completely)
Front track bar bolts/nuts loose (both ends finger tight)
Rear track bar bolt at frame finger tight
Left front lower jam nut loose
Left rear lower jam nut loose
All sixteen link bolts finger tight
Transmission rubs on the skid plate (had to loosen the skid plate bolts 1/2" before it let go)
Exhaust pinched tight between new skid plate and new crossmember
Exhaust modifications at gas tank were never done, exhaust was cut off at axle.
Skid plate bolts need to be replaced with standard 1/2x13 bolts and washers, not conical seat bolts.
Left front banjo bolt leaks (this was "fixed" before we left, I found it still leaking the next day)
Left front dust shield rubs rotor
Rear shock tabs on axle installed too high, only have 1" of up travel.
Right rear shock hits right rear coil bucket (tabs on axle installed too close to coil)
Numerous lug nuts rounded off, socket appears to be damaged or wrong size
Two of the nuts holding the front driveshaft to the front yoke backed off, others are not tight.
One of the nuts holding the rear driveshaft to the rear yoke backed off, others are not tight.
Both front coils are bowed at ride height. Frame side coil buckets were cut off the frame and reinstalled not square.
Both front coil spring retainers are missing.
Both front bump stops are missing (cut off for no apparent reason)
Both front springs hit the frame on stuff
Only turns halfway to the right, drag link hits Dynamite-modified track bar bracket.
Rear axle sway bar bolts have been replaced with torx bolts from stock cage, bolts are too long, bottomed out on axle housing, not tight.
Rear axle pinion angle was too high and vibrated badly. When I adjusted the links to fix the angle, I found that the driveshaft bound at the yokes. Had to do a SYE the night before we left for Dixie Run.
Dynamite modified the stock shifter linkage to make it work with the raised transmission location. The welding melted the nylon bushings in the linkage. It fell off in three pieces during a shake-down ride.
Lower radiator hose leaked (while I can't be certain on this one, it didn't leak before I dropped it off, and the JK track bar was scrapped because it hit the lower rad hose.) The cause was a constant-tension clamp installed incorrectly at the motor end.

The front seats won't go far enough back. They hit the seat belt ratchets.
The left-right spreader bar at the B pillars bends forward over the front seats as it crosses the vehicle. I (5'-11) and my wife (5'-8") both hit our heads on it.
Both front seat seat belt ratchets were broken and the covers were missing. Turns out they were installed on the wrong sides, then Dynamite busted the clock spring housings while they were working on things.
The soft top pivots at the cage are 1" too close together. This causes the front portion of the soft top to not go together correctly above the doors.
The soft top pivots are in the wrong locations (possibly too far forward and/or too low), making the rear half of the top not fit correctly. Basically, the top doesn't fit at all. You hook it at the windshield and let the rest of it flap in the breeze.
Rear seat belt shoulder bolts have been replaced with standard gr8 bolts, no spacer or shoulder. Need to source proper seat belt bolts.

The grill, front fenders, hood, cowl, and windshield were all sprayed with grinder dust and weld spatter. I couldn't figure out why the hood looked like it was rusting. The hood was never "nice", but it took me the better part of a Saturday with a clay bar to get this kinda cleaned up.

Only David knows how many iterations the cage went through before it rolled out the door. Suffice it to say that the first few rounds of photos that he sent looked nothing like the Solidworks model.

I did a nut-and-bolt on the entire vehicle before Dixie Run. Had to rebuild the crossmember that David built, modify the skid plate, build a new exhaust (to clear the skid and crossmember), SYE, and cable shifter. At this point, I'm thinking most of the cage work will have to be redone before it's "right". At the very least, the roof spreaders all need to be cut out and redone to fix the headroom issues and the weird splice at the windshield. But if you're going that far, the A-pillar down tubes have weird splices at the bottom (missed the hole in the floor??) that might as well be fixed too.

Before it went in the shop, my wife was daily driving it with the kids. The first month or two that we had it back, something fell off most every time it rolled out of the driveway, so she hasn't driven it since. Didn't feel comfortable taking the kids out in it.
 
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