Japan...

CrustyJeep · Mar 16, 2011

Trainwreckinseattle said:
Interesting read:

And another. I thought Nuclear power was awesome because it's cheap :confused:

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2009/01/nuclear_power.html

CrustyJeep · Mar 16, 2011

Binder said:
How long do you think it will be before they stop letting people travel out of Japan due to fear of spreading radiation?...:corn:

If any of them come over here, we better put them into some sort of containment facilities :corn:

TreeClimber · Mar 16, 2011

CrustyJeep said:
If any of them come over here, we better put them into some sort of containment facilities :corn:

Bainbridge Island is available.
Limited access (narrow bridge, ferry depot), pre-existing facilities (may need upgraded), and easily contained (island)

Binder · Mar 16, 2011

CrustyJeep said:
If any of them come over here, we better put them into some sort of containment facilities :corn:

Just don't call it any kind of "camp".....21st century P-C and all.:rolleyes:

Binder · Mar 16, 2011

CrustyJeep said:
And another. I thought Nuclear power was awesome because it's cheap :confused:

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2009/01/nuclear_power.html

What are you doing reading that hippie drivel?:rolleyes:

BobR · Mar 16, 2011

CrustyJeep said:
And another. I thought Nuclear power was awesome because it's cheap :confused:

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2009/01/nuclear_power.html

if the could burry the plants about 10,000 feet down in rock:
the "spent" fuel could still be used until its naturaly cold to make steam for the turbins.

if there was a problem it could be sealed from the environment easily. an explossion covers the hole.

remember the china syndrome is fiction and is against the physics here.

Bob

Mrs. Crash · Mar 16, 2011

Binder said:
How long do you think it will be before they stop letting people travel out of Japan due to fear of spreading radiation?...:corn:

As long as it's treated as equally as when I went over and the swine flu thing was going around. There was a major swine flu check before I even departed the planes. Scanners (checking temps) and such, plus we had to fill out paperwork saying if we'd had any kind of fevers or symptoms. Plus the health department called the house every day to make sure I was wearing my masks. :eeek:

Jaydog · Mar 16, 2011

Trainwreckinseattle said:
Ya this story is minute by minute.

The bad part is it's getting really really messed up minute by minute......

That is worst case scenario........and it's happening !!!!!!

Meaning the spent fuel is about to or already has blown up. Depending on winds this could be bad for us. California produces a lot of U.S. food. We don't need a cloud of Radiaton coming over here.

:booo::booo::booo:

Won't happen, I heard an interview with the Nuclear Professor from MIT last night, he said at Chernobyl the radiation was pushed something like 600 miles, California is something like 5500 miles, also, He said that nothing like that could happen to US reactors because of the safety redundancies that are built in to it.

CrustyJeep · Mar 16, 2011

Binder said:
What are you doing reading that hippie drivel?:rolleyes:

I googled for cost of nuclear, and that's what I got. You sure it's hippie drivel? Got a counter point?

Jaydog · Mar 16, 2011

CrustyJeep said:
I googled for cost of nuclear, and that's what I got. You sure it's hippie drivel? Got a counter point?

Here is a blurb on the problem in Japan from a panel at MIT, they probably know a little on the subject.
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2011/nuclear-panel-japan-0136.html

CrustyJeep · Mar 16, 2011

Jaydog said:
Here is a blurb on the problem in Japan from a panel at MIT, they probably know a little on the subject.
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2011/nuclear-panel-japan-0136.html

MIT is full of hippie nerds :flipoff:

TreeClimber · Mar 16, 2011

CrustyJeep said:
MIT is full of hippie nerds :flipoff:

Isn't hippie & nerd kinda contradictory? Like military intellegence & NWWheeler speller.

CrustyJeep · Mar 16, 2011

TreeClimber said:
Isn't hippie & nerd kinda contradictory?

I don't think so... Why would it be?

TreeClimber · Mar 16, 2011

CrustyJeep said:
I don't think so... Why would it be?

Hippies eschew technology.

Jaydog · Mar 16, 2011

CrustyJeep said:
MIT is full of hippie nerds :flipoff:

They probably drive a prius too :booo:

Binder · Mar 16, 2011

CrustyJeep said:
I googled for cost of nuclear, and that's what I got. You sure it's hippie drivel? Got a counter point?

No.:booo: I just think it reads very one sided and was first published in a hippie freak journal so I'm sure that's how it was intended to read.

CrustyJeep · Mar 17, 2011

Binder said:
No.:booo: I just think it reads very one sided and was first published in a hippie freak journal so I'm sure that's how it was intended to read.

I just read the words. I didn't make any attempt to verify anything said.

I just thought it was kind of a universal truth, even among dirty hippies, that nuclear power is cheap (that being really its only virtue), so anything that refutes that idea was unexpected, regardless the source.

CrustyJeep · Mar 17, 2011

Jaydog said:
They probably drive a prius too :booo:

Probly without a government mandate even. :booo:

Trainwreckinseattle · Mar 17, 2011

Jaydog said:
Won't happen, I heard an interview with the Nuclear Professor from MIT last night, he said at Chernobyl the radiation was pushed something like 600 miles, California is something like 5500 miles, also, He said that nothing like that could happen to US reactors because of the safety redundancies that are built in to it.

Like Hanford, and Three Mile Island right? Anyways American Reactors are just as safe as any untill something happens to them. More importantly as shown by the Japanese example the reactor core isn't the only problem. It's the spent rods, cooling tanks, clean up, storage, vitrification processes and transport etc. It's all unsafe.

There are parts of Western Europe where milk, mushrooms and other products are still illegal to transport. Major effects are felt locally. Minor effects are felt in a larger radius.

My point is that even if everything stopped now. We would still feel some kind of spike in radiation. How much is harmfull? Why are so damn many people getting cancer? I think less is better when dealing with isotopes that have 14 million year half lives. No?

CrustyJeep said:
I just read the words. I didn't make any attempt to verify anything said.

I just thought it was kind of a universal truth, even among dirty hippies, that nuclear power is cheap (that being really its only virtue), so anything that refutes that idea was unexpected, regardless the source.

Cradle to grave is a concept most people simply can't or won't grasp.

When this concept is considered Nuclear is probably worse than carbon fuels. Cancer, long term storage, accident clean up, etc costs untold amounts of money that almost never get equated into the equation.

The only solution is to kill 99 percet of the worlds population. Then mandate through federal regulators that all inhabitants use prius cars and live in Tee pee's. But you cant use TP or electricity, or any other modern convience except prius cars.

Live off the land kinda like we used to. Just like **** Proenneke did. I would totally be down for that.

Trainwreckinseattle · Mar 17, 2011

Jaydog said:
Won't happen, I heard an interview with the Nuclear Professor from MIT last night, he said at Chernobyl the radiation was pushed something like 600 miles

Here is where I sit. We all copy and paste these links blindly. I actually do read them and many many more.... I'm worried that what is told is actually the tip of the iceburg in just about any situation. This one being no exception.

Radiation is coming. Period. How much and how it will effect us here in Washington is unknown. There is nothing I can do about it either. That's why this kind of stuff pisses me off so much. Other people make too damn many decisions that effect me GREATLY and I have no power to even kinda stop them. :booo:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/sc_nm/us_nuclear_usa

"PLUME OF RADIATION

Gregory Jaczko, the top U.S. nuclear regulator, cast doubt on efforts to cool overheating reactors, saying workers may be hit with "lethal doses" of radiation.

"It would be very difficult for emergency workers to get near the reactors," Jaczko said.

A United Nations forecast projects the radioactive plume from the Fukushima facility would reach the Aleutian Islands on Thursday and hit Southern California late on Friday, The New York Times reported."

Trainwreckinseattle · Mar 17, 2011

Anyone have a Geiger counter?

:redneck:

crash2 · Mar 17, 2011

I have spent the last couple of days reading and viewing everything I can about chernobyl.

Here is one video(10 parts) that I found very interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luSpdSyT1ys&feature=related

I have also learned a bunch on how the japan plants are built. Its my opnion that using chernobyl incident as a whole as a guage to whats going on in japan is not even in the same realm. For anything drastic to happen in japan lots of things must fail and thats pretty slim. As for us getting exposure to radiation from the incident is also very slim.

But as pat said there is nothing we can do about it--thats just fact. what happens happens but I am not worried.

Trainwreckinseattle · Mar 17, 2011

We are going to see radiation. low levels, and they won't effect us much in the near future, who knows about the long term effects to us from this disaster.

This one event isn't really a big deal for us here, true.

It's about the cumulative effect of Chyrnobyl, Fukushima, Hanford, Three mile island, Deepwater Horizon, Exxon Valdez, PCB's, etc, etc.

At what point does the last piece of straw fall?

I'm not a greenie, not even close but come on !!!! Humans are stupid.

dirtygoat · Mar 17, 2011

The poor fish...

Gonna be crazy expensive to eat seafood...

pokey · Mar 17, 2011

Trainwreckinseattle said:
Anyone have a Geiger counter?

:redneck:

yes, but no you cant borrow it.

Trainwreckinseattle · Mar 17, 2011

On the bright side, I just saved 15% by switching to GeigerCo.

Radiation humor :redneck:

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Trainwreckinseattle · Mar 17, 2011

pokey said:
yes, but no you cant borrow it.

Oooh Ooh Daily updates please........

Ok who can find a website with sensitive enough meters to keep track of our exposure over the next couple weeks?

You know the US govment will be keepin track, but will they publish the information?

pokey · Mar 17, 2011

Trainwreckinseattle said:
Oooh Ooh Daily updates please........

Ok who can find a website with sensitive enough meters to keep track of our exposure over the next couple weeks?

You know the US govment will be keepin track, but will they publish the information?

Theres a station in tumwater that moniters air quality daily. The news would be all over it if it even jumps a tiny bit. My machine is a older unit for uranium prospecting. I use it when rockhounding at old mining sites that have possible "issues" Never found nothing exciting except downriver from hanford that set it off.

BobR · Mar 17, 2011

Trainwreckinseattle said:
We are going to see radiation. low levels, and they won't effect us much in the near future, who knows about the long term effects to us from this disaster.

This one event isn't really a big deal for us here, true.

It's about the cumulative effect of Chyrnobyl, Fukushima, Hanford, Three mile island, Deepwater Horizon, Exxon Valdez, PCB's, etc, etc.

At what point does the last piece of straw fall?

I'm not a greenie, not even close but come on !!!! Humans are stupid.

there will be no "last straw" just a lot of different things adding up to bring us a different tomorrow-with different realities than we had yesterday.

Bob