New Crash compound

crash2 · Mar 10, 2014

unclestripey said:
Take it from someone who's banged nails for 25 years.... It's not rocket science, you'll do just fine. I love old barns.

I hate nails :haha: I refuse to use them :redneck: Ya I figured as much but I do enjoy "trying" to do things in the right way..

crash2 · Mar 11, 2014

So sunday got home from the swap meet--took a nap because I was beat and got up. Since I stayed there again and the wife went to bed early I went out and did some more fun stuff. Got the first post all done and the setup for the second one--then went in and crashed again :redneck:

crash2 · Mar 11, 2014

Got up early (I love mondays :redneck:) and I was able to get 2 more done. So the 3 "easy" ones are all finished--onto the 4th one that I know is messed up but I didn't realize just how bad.

crash2 · Mar 11, 2014

Now the fun starts. I figured not having the roof cave in is a good thing--right :redneck:. So I made sure to secure the joice as best as possable since I have to remove close to 25 nails and get the 2x10 off it(and I am really glad I did). By the time I was done I was pretty good at removing them damn nails :awesomework:

crash2 · Mar 11, 2014

Here is another picture of the support that goes from the joice to the roof. Quite the mess and once I got the 2x10 off I saw just how bad the support was. It was rotted and was actually floating so I am glad we didn't have any big heavy snow this year or we could very well lost the roof.

crash2 · Mar 11, 2014

You can kinda see the drop in the roof..

So I have a game plan all mapped out and should have that beam all wrapped up tommorow...

JNK-RNR · Mar 11, 2014

I am looking forward to this part of my life. This is one of those things that being in the Military leaves you with out. Only 2 years to go then I can buy our forever home...and I can only hope to find one with as much charcter as yours. Looking good Mike.:awesomework:

Totalled · Mar 11, 2014

Joist. :fawkdancesmiley:

WA-Wheeler · Mar 11, 2014

Totalled said:
Joist. :fawkdancesmiley:

I thought he was talking about juice. Now the post makes perfect sense :redneck:

hondakillah · Mar 12, 2014

Really diggin the barn man. Very cool for you to come across and be fixing up to use.

I wish this was a part of my future, but I am no where near capable of working and maintaining a barn/farm as far as I know. Who knows what happens when I hit "retirement" though, but I doubt something this cool will be in my future.

crash2 · Mar 12, 2014

Here is a pic of the house..

crash2 · Mar 12, 2014

JNK-RNR said:
I am looking forward to this part of my life. This is one of those things that being in the Military leaves you with out. Only 2 years to go then I can buy our forever home...and I can only hope to find one with as much charcter as yours. Looking good Mike.:awesomework:

I does have allot of character and allot of history.. The wife of the guy who built it is over 100 years old and still lives across the road.

crash2 · Mar 12, 2014

Totalled said:
Joist. :fawkdancesmiley:

WA-Wheeler said:
I thought he was talking about juice. Now the post makes perfect sense :redneck:

Thats how i thought it was spelled but didn't sound right to me :redneck:

Why I like playing with steel more :haha:

crash2 · Mar 12, 2014

hondakillah said:
Really diggin the barn man. Very cool for you to come across and be fixing up to use.

I wish this was a part of my future, but I am no where near capable of working and maintaining a barn/farm as far as I know. Who knows what happens when I hit "retirement" though, but I doubt something this cool will be in my future.

Ya its a very cool place. Since my father in law is currently away at a therapy center to help get him the wife shows him daily pics and he is loving what I am doing so that makes me smile.

crash2 · Mar 12, 2014

Yes--so the last beam is finally in and with each one I was getting a little better..

crash2 · Mar 12, 2014

And here is the support to the roof. Since the one support is squished between some cross boards and in great shape I just cut it short and ran a 2x4 up to it and ran a new one to the roof--should be pretty sturdy. The hard part was jacking it up into place and then securing it and damn did the barn make some god awful noises,lol...

crash2 · Mar 12, 2014

So next is supporting the cross beams for the loft above it. There used to be a single board across that I had to pull down to do the beams so I am going to run double boards. Before it was really sketchy going in the lofted area and when done it should return to being able to handle a little more weight. Getting close to getting light in that area.

notstock · Mar 12, 2014

Nice job. That was pretty sketchy when we looked at it before you fixed it.

nowires · Mar 12, 2014

I always love 2x6 on 24" canters spanning 20 ft. Mike you are doing a great job

crash2 · Mar 13, 2014

notstock said:
Nice job. That was pretty sketchy when we looked at it before you fixed it.

nowires said:
I always love 2x6 on 24" canters spanning 20 ft. Mike you are doing a great job

I am tryin :awesomework:

crash2 · Mar 13, 2014

I got the rafter supports 3/4 of the way done tonight. The last section is the tricky one. I forgot the edge of the wall where there is a big doorway was knocked off the foundation so the wall was out a tad and since the last section ties into that wall I needed to get it back into place. So I jacked the edge of that part and worked it back into place. I will need to do a permanent repair here soon but the wall is where it needs to be.

The one interesting thing about this barn too (and those of you who have worked with old structures have probably come across this) is the fact the wood diameter is nothing to whats available today.

So back to the supports I had to add another board below an existing one and luckily since I am tearing apart the feeders I was able to reuse a piece of old stuff. So all I gotta do is cut a few 2x6's and it should be done.

I got soo close tonight but ran outa steam..

unclestripey · Mar 13, 2014

It's rough sawn. Talk to someone with a sawmill.....sounds like Chopshop's milling now too. I don't cut much lumber, but if you need a few chunks and want to visit Whidbey, let me know.:awesomework:

DHR Darren · Mar 13, 2014

Looks good, it is nice to be able to see rapid progress with projects.
The old lumber is true to the sizing. A 2x4 is actually 2x4 not 1.5x3.5.

CHOP SHOP · Mar 13, 2014

unclestripey said:
It's rough sawn. Talk to someone with a sawmill.....sounds like Chopshop's milling now too. I don't cut much lumber, but if you need a few chunks and want to visit Whidbey, let me know.:awesomework:

Yup, rough cut kicks ass! I just got a line on a Frick/Corly sized mill to go look at. A big boy compared to my Belsaw. And I found one of those GIANT cedar burls that you guys missed!

Looks good Mike!

If ya need, I have 4x4, 4x8, 6x6, 1x4, 1x5,1x6 in stock. All true dimension. You should be able to find a mill closer tho in your neck of the woods, but if ya need anything just let me know!

CHOP SHOP · Mar 13, 2014

Mike, does the roof line look straight when outside?

Are those stringers just sagging? Or is there some roof supports pushing them down? Has it pulled the walls in at all? Or just the weight of the stringers sagging?

unclestripey · Mar 13, 2014

Lumber is still cut 2x4, but people want it pretty, do after it goes through a moulder, it ends up 1.5x3.5. We make everything a little chunkier for our in house projects to set them apart even further.

If you need something big I can cut 26'x whatever. Through an associate we can go 51'x57".:redneck:

Choppy-- look at that burl a looooong time. I mean really study it. You only get one shot at cutting them, and some shouldn't be cut at all. I'd love to see a pic!!:beer:

jimpaget · Mar 13, 2014

unclestripey said:
Lumber is still cut 2x4, but people want it pretty, do after it goes through a moulder, it ends up 1.5x3.5. We make everything a little chunkier for our in house projects to set them apart even further.

If you need something big I can cut 26'x whatever. Through an associate we can go 51'x57".:redneck:

Choppy-- look at that burl a looooong time. I mean really study it. You only get one shot at cutting them, and some shouldn't be cut at all. I'd love to see a pic!!:beer:

In the '60s, milled 2x4s were 1.75 x 3.75. Somebody evidently figured out they could get more cuts out of a tree.

We have rental that was built in 1927. It has been repaired and remodeled over the years. There are 2x4s in it with all three dimensions - 2x4, 1.75 x 3.75, and 1.5 x 3.5.

zukkev · Mar 13, 2014

Mike, it looks like at least a few horizontal roof stringers are made to length by 'patching'...might want to think about trueing them up, and glueing/screwing a full length stringer along the other side...

unclestripey · Mar 13, 2014

jimpaget said:
In the '60s, milled 2x4s were 1.75 x 3.75. Somebody evidently figured out they could get more cuts out of a tree.

We have rental that was built in 1927. It has been repaired and remodeled over the years. There are 2x4s in it with all three dimensions - 2x4, 1.75 x 3.75, and 1.5 x 3.5.

I think it has to do with the quality/size of the timber. Nowadays trees are a crop, replanted constantly and never allowed to mature. A tree that grows in mature forest is far more slow growing and it's wood much more stable. Clear cut plantations grow very fast, like 4-5 rings per inch fast. Old growth gets closer to 30 per inch. A board with no wain needs a lot less shaved off to make it "pretty".....

crash2 · Mar 13, 2014

Thanks Brad.

There is a little sag in the roof but not near what it was. The roof on the one side I am working has supports to the roof that now are directly above the beams I have added to the floor. Also the supports at the roof are sandwiched with 2x4's except about 8ft from the last beam I did to the wall. I think there is a little sag in the roof through from the 2x4's but with how it is now I am really not too worried. Next year I would like to add 2 more 2x4's from the last beam to the wall just to give it the same strength as the roof.

I do have one sagging section near the end at the end of the roof. I think the foundation has sagged a little in that spot as the wall is kinda floating. Thats something else I will be fixing here really soon.

The horse stalls I will be using current timber since I won't have to tie into anything exhisisting and should look pretty good(hopefully) when I am done.