We did that at the last work party. The Dogpound marked the Swamp Trail and our club marked what we are now calling the easywild. We took down all the old markers to reduce the confusion. Not to mention that someone incorrectly marked the trailhead as the mainline extension... We took that sign down as well. No one driving that trail will be confused and where they are, or are NOT supposed to be. We put up a new sign about staying on established trails. The markers are being color matched to the map.
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We did that at the last work party. The Dogpound marked the Swamp Trail and our club marked what we are now calling the easywild. We took down all the old markers to reduce the confusion. Not to mention that someone incorrectly marked the trailhead as the mainline extension... We took that sign down as well. No one driving that trail will be confused and where they are, or are NOT supposed to be. We put up a new sign about staying on established trails. The markers are being color matched to the map.
The markers that we put up are the simple diamond markers on the trees. We also blocked off illegal bypasses and make legal bypasses obvious. If you get a chance to run the easywild next time out, I think you'll like how it turned out. When all the trails get marked it'll really help out that park. If you don't see markers, you're not on the trail... Originally this was brought up as a way to get rid of the "I didn't know that wasn't the trail" excuse should the DNR do enforcement.
You missed my point. Pokey was suggesting that putting a minimum vehicle restriction on the Rainier Vista was a reverse discrimination strategy. I was pointing out that setting up trail specific restrictions are not discriminatory and are regularly practiced all over. For this specific event, limiting vehicle size on a trail due to USFS permitting is essentially the same as putting a width restriction on the busy of 82" wide, or saying that you need 35" tires and dual lockers to run the (future) Rainier Vista. The result is the same that some people are prevented from running the trail, regarldess of whether or not it's a permitted event.
I'm not really arguing against the Jamboree restrictions. I understand the point of them quite well.
It was more a point to say, Hmmmmm than anything else.
then build your rig to fit the trail:haha: :haha: sorry couldnt resist. All of the jamborees that I have been to (not just ours) have the same kind of restrictions for exactly the same reasons:squirrel:
The trail markers are a great idea, like how the mainline crosses the skidder road so many times, it's good to have the trail well marked. I think it would also be nice to have intersections better marked, like where the busy comes back onto the mainline (i think) and where the mainline runs into the alder trail (again I think) My comment about the signage was more directed at the thought of a boundary sign like they have at Tahuya, which only keep honest people honest, but the honest people aren't the ones we need to worry about, so I think they are basically a waste of resources that could be allocated to different things. I'm not saying that they are a total waste, maybe some could be made up for the illegal bypasses and areas where the trail corridor is unclear, but to have them in the abundance that Tahuya has them, is unneccesary in my opinion.
I will be out at Elbe this saturday, so I'll have to run the easywild and see how it looks.
I will be out at Elbe this saturday, so I'll have to run the easywild and see how it looks.
Take lots of pics...:awesomework:
how did i miss out on this thread.... Anybody who wants to make a difference at elbe hills orv please show up for the next work party. Enough people can make a difference all it takes is a litttle time and effort from the entire wheeling community to make the park a great place for all users.:beer:
If you are putting signage up, be prepared to keep putting them up as they get torn down. People will tear them down but if they keep reappearing it'll eventually grow old for them and they will give up.
Trail blockage - it took some practice but we finally worked out how to block UB's in a manner that makes them look impenetrable or so much of a pain to break through it's not worth it.
What actually helps the most though is staying on top of it and block and camouflage the damage while it's very fresh. Do it before ruts start forming.
She, he's SO much more PC than I was LOL!
I agree, you guys have done a nice job of blocking bypasses. Keep up the good work out there.
Is there a date set yet? I'll definately be there again.
I haven't been to Tahuya in a long time... What helped??? Any pics???
There's one in particular that I keep seeing, that is a log or logs with the cable and staple idea put to use, and a couple of the nastier bogs that have a huge stump right in the middle on its side.
The most successful log cabling project I have been on are a little more elorbrate than merely stapling cable to a string of logs. It takes very little time to undo such an obstacle. Instead cut (with a chainsaw) a 3" deep kerf the entire length of the log. Then drive the cable deep into this kerf. After driving the cable into the kerf staple it in also driving the staple deep into the kerf. Take a little more time but the results are longer lasting.
I've seen more than one asshat try to cut thru such a log. Only when they encountered the cable did they realize what they were up against. But by that point they had ruined the chain on their saw.
That's a lot more labor though, and fortunatley we haven't had to go to that extreme yet.
Wrapping some 1/2" or larger crane cable around stumps and logs and stapling it several times seems to be working.
Dale or Joe, if you are at the Region 2 meeting I can describe the other successfull closures techniques we have.
I'll try and get some pics memorial weekend, but I'll also give dale, joe, or anyone else wanting to know at the Region meeting a description. I could write a novel explaining what we did and how we ended up getting there.
When I showed up on 38's the closures got much more extreme. I was standing there saying bigger, deeper, harder... wait, that's another story. I was standing there sizing the obstacle up and recommended we keep making it nastier until it was something I wouldn't want to screw with unless I absolutely had to.
