39 Reds VS. 43 SX swampers

[kmcminn]

I'm definitely not a bouncer but I just think the SX might do a little better for when its a little muddy or loose dirt on a hill.

It sounds like you done made your mind up. Hell for what its worth it don't matter on the perimeter trails.

 

[redneckengineered]

I think I'm pretty qualified to answer this. 99% of the guys I ride with are on the 43 SX Stickies, many are from the bouncer crowd, one guy runs the Treps, and I run Krawlers and have for years. Here's my thoughts.

The only things the Krawler gives up to the SX is ground clearance and sidewall toughness and frankly I don't think the sidewall toughness is as big as everyone makes it out to be. I've seen a lot of SXs cut that made me scratch my head. I've only ever cut one Krawler out of years of running them. A lot of it has to do with air pressure. Krawlers like more air pressure.

Anyone that says Krawlers don't work in the wet muddy stuff read that **** on the internet. They EXCEL in the wet muddy stuff. Not talking about bogging, who the **** does that anyway. But give me wet snotty rock and nasty dirt hills and I'll eat that **** up for breakfast. All day long.

The SXs are heavy as ****, so take into account your gearing and HP and driving style because there will be a difference.

The SXs are quite a bit taller than the Krawlers which means more sidewall which means more give and a little better ride. You can run lower air pressure and still hit **** harder because you have that cushion. If bouncing is your game get the SX. I beat the piss out of the Krawlers but I don't close my eyes and floor it and bounce off every rock either. In that case you need the extra height and sidewall cushion and toughness of the SX.

The Treps are a good tire, may be just slightly smaller than the Krawler and the sticky compound is not as sticky. I'd run them but they'd be my third choice behind the other two.

Krawler red label compound kills the SX sticky compound. If the SX was a 39 or if the Krawler was a 43 (ie level playing field) the Krawler would **** the SX in the ass.

 

[LightBnDr]

Re: 39 Reds VS. 43 SX swampers

Lmao ^^^^. Awesome

 

[kushKrawlin]

Dammit man!! Well said. BABAHHAHA. Fukin good **** there.

 

[offroadwerks]

Re: 39 Reds VS. 43 SX swampers

Get the sx's and we will do a tire shoot out every time we ride AND I will keep a open seat for Brittany when we drag you back to the trailer cause I think the sx's are gonna be rough on parts !!! ...Lol

 

[nealcj8]

I think I'm pretty qualified to answer this. 99% of the guys I ride with are on the 43 SX Stickies, many are from the bouncer crowd, one guy runs the Treps, and I run Krawlers and have for years. Here's my thoughts.

The only things the Krawler gives up to the SX is ground clearance and sidewall toughness and frankly I don't think the sidewall toughness is as big as everyone makes it out to be. I've seen a lot of SXs cut that made me scratch my head. I've only ever cut one Krawler out of years of running them. A lot of it has to do with air pressure. Krawlers like more air pressure.

Anyone that says Krawlers don't work in the wet muddy stuff read that **** on the internet. They EXCEL in the wet muddy stuff. Not talking about bogging, who the **** does that anyway. But give me wet snotty rock and nasty dirt hills and I'll eat that **** up for breakfast. All day long.

The SXs are heavy as ****, so take into account your gearing and HP and driving style because there will be a difference.

The SXs are quite a bit taller than the Krawlers which means more sidewall which means more give and a little better ride. You can run lower air pressure and still hit **** harder because you have that cushion. If bouncing is your game get the SX. I beat the piss out of the Krawlers but I don't close my eyes and floor it and bounce off every rock either. In that case you need the extra height and sidewall cushion and toughness of the SX.

The Treps are a good tire, may be just slightly smaller than the Krawler and the sticky compound is not as sticky. I'd run them but they'd be my third choice behind the other two.

Krawler red label compound kills the SX sticky compound. If the SX was a 39 or if the Krawler was a 43 (ie level playing field) the Krawler would **** the SX in the ass.

Well put!!

It sounds like you done made your mind up. Hell for what its worth it don't matter on the perimeter trails.

no I havent made my mind up yet.

 

[TacomaJD]

Everyone is giving apples to oranges answers, so I'm not exhausting myself with a big explanation/persuasion. I will say this, Neal, when I wheeled with yall at HPO, I feel like we were all on the same page with what we like to do when wheeling and Reds have my vote. If you're that curious about it, the only way to find out is go with the SX's. IF you did go with the SX's, you would automatically love them, because they would be such an improvement over what you're used to. But when it comes to idling up a tough crawl like some of them at HPO and making it look easy, them Reds are WAY stickier than SX's, that's a 100% fact! :dblthumb: ...but if you wanna mash yer motor, get some SX's. They're going on yer buggy, not mine, so I don't give a **** either way molaugh

 

[offroadwerks]

Re: 39 Reds VS. 43 SX swampers

I love the reds. I did cut a couple sidewalls but since then I've increased psi to 10-11. Have not cut one since... Knock on wood. But increase in tire pressure resulted in the need to revalve shocks. Which is not that hard to do. So 'out of box ' shocks would def not be an issue with bigger squishy tires.

 

[muddinmetal]

Someone here please run some sticky boggers :****: Thick sidewalls, thin profile, lighter weight, and damn near an inch of tread depth :driving:

 

[pachary]

39 Reds VS. 43 SX swampers

Don't know if these are the ones you are talking about, but I am running the 44x18-16.5 Boggers. They are made in India and are definitely softer than either a TSL or "normal" bogger.

BUT, they sure the hell ain't no sticky tire either.

 

[muddinmetal]

Re: 39 Reds VS. 43 SX swampers

Don't know if these are the ones you are talking about, but I am running the 44x18-16.5 Boggers. They are made in India and are definitely softer than either a TSL or "normal" bogger.

BUT, they sure the hell ain't no sticky tire either.

They are not (although I love those tires). Those tires are part of a contract for Indian agriculture and are made of real rubber and are softer than standard swampers.

Interco makes a 42.5x13.5 sticky bogger that makes my pecker hard

 

[TBItoy]

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There isn't as much size difference between a 43 sx and 39 red label as one would think...

And considering that you can buy 6 krawlers for what 4 SXs cost, that pretty much makes up my mind...

 

[redneckengineered]

Re: 39 Reds VS. 43 SX swampers

I love the reds. I did cut a couple sidewalls but since then I've increased psi to 10-11. Have not cut one since... Knock on wood. But increase in tire pressure resulted in the need to revalve shocks. Which is not that hard to do. So 'out of box ' shocks would def not be an issue with bigger squishy tires.

Yes. I run 12-13psi. You only get a sidewall bulge when hitting obstacles. Sitting still they look aired up. Love it.

There isn't as much size difference between a 43 sx and 39 red label as one would think...

And considering that you can buy 6 krawlers for what 4 SXs cost, that pretty much makes up my mind...

Man I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. The 43SX dwarfs a 39 Krawler side by side. It's a huge gnarly tire. I'll see if I can get a pic next time I'm out. I'm with you on the price difference though

 

[kushKrawlin]

Someone here please run some sticky boggers :****: Thick sidewalls, thin profile, lighter weight, and damn near an inch of tread depth :driving:

Would love to muddin! Last time u mention them I was on a wild goose chase for months. Just knew that I could find some.. But no way. Unless I get 50 people to order a set from Interco. Hahah. I would love to have them Tho!!! Just like a dam needle in a haystack.

 

[kushKrawlin]

Re: 39 Reds VS. 43 SX swampers

So, what's the going cost for a set of 43 sx's


Jon Piper

3000-3200 shipped

 

[muddinmetal]

Re: 39 Reds VS. 43 SX swampers

****. They're really $250 each more than a red !?!?!?


Jon Piper

About $150, yeah

 

[TacomaJD]

Re: 39 Reds VS. 43 SX swampers

Man I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. The 43SX dwarfs a 39 Krawler side by side. It's a huge gnarly tire. I'll see if I can get a pic next time I'm out. I'm with you on the price difference though

This is true. The 43's are huge when you're standing next to them. I've had ppl ask me if my 39 Reds were 37's! Not that they are small, cuz they do measure dead on 39", it's just folks that aren't educated as much in the offroad world see 43's on every bouncer in the woods, then look at my **** and notice there is a sizable difference in height. I couldn't run 43's on my rig even with how high it sits and cut out fenders. I'd have no room for up travel or turning haha.

Not to mention the weight factor, I was just making the reference of me running them for pure size comparison, not weight lol...my Toyota axles would cry as I was tightening the lug nuts if I was to mount 43's on my rig! molaugh

 

[74_Chevota]

42" mtr stickys

Oh wait that wasn't a choice... booyang

Pretty much what redneck said.

 

[Sawzall]

We have both Reds and SX stickies in our group. I think the larger size of the SX equals out the stickier Red compound. Even if we are in the big rocks there is no consistent winner between the two. I think for us, wheelbase matching the rock spacing makes more of a difference. To me it is just pick the size you need because they are both great tires.

 

[muddinmetal]

42" mtr stickys

Probably the best overall tire, but we'd never know, cause they're like bigfoot in the south... You're sure they're around somewhere, you just never see them :****:

 

[nealcj8]

Decisions decisions.

 

[TBItoy]

Re: 39 Reds VS. 43 SX swampers

Yes. I run 12-13psi. You only get a sidewall bulge when hitting obstacles. Sitting still they look aired up. Love it.


Man I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. The 43SX dwarfs a 39 Krawler side by side. It's a huge gnarly tire. I'll see if I can get a pic next time I'm out. I'm with you on the price difference though

I guess I was more getting at the fact that 39 reds run true to size and have a square profile vs the SX which run "almost" true to size and are very rounded. The huge aggressive tread profile and narrower carcass than the usual 44 tsl that we got used to seeing for years makes them LOOK even bigger... ( plus the fact that 44 tsls are only like 41" tall on a wheel over 10" wide)

 

[74_Chevota]

Probably the best overall tire, but we'd never know, cause they're like bigfoot in the south... You're sure they're around somewhere, you just never see them :****:

I love mine. I don't have a problem with sx's but damn they are proud of them. :****:

 

[nealcj8]

They are a little high. But all off road tires are

 

[BUG-E J]

They are a little high. But all off road tires are

Have you called Scott Goforth?

 

[redneckengineered]

Probably the best overall tire, but we'd never know, cause they're like bigfoot in the south... You're sure they're around somewhere, you just never see them :****:

Lugs aren't big enough for east coast **** otherwise I'd be all over this tire.

Have you called Scott Goforth?

molaugh

 

[mckeddie]

The mtr's lugs round off too much for loose dirt climbs. They stick awesome to rock, and the sidewalks are tough as **** though.

 

[snoball]

We have both Reds and SX stickies in our group. I think the larger size of the SX equals out the stickier Red compound. Even if we are in the big rocks there is no consistent winner between the two. I think for us, wheelbase matching the rock spacing makes more of a difference. To me it is just pick the size you need because they are both great tires.

This is my thoughts as well. I personally have run both and the sx is absolutely a more durable tire. We have cut 3 or 4 reds and never lost an sx in almost 2 years.

 

[TBItoy]

Have you called Scott Goforth?

Does he have magically 50% cheaper SXs??

 

[nealcj8]

Have you called Scott Goforth?

Yes I called him, off road connection is on a few dollars more and a hell of a lot closer