Starting soon, recap.

[CHOP SHOP]

if it was on MY land They would not have a legitamate complaint

yes they would. wheeling damage travels to other land as well.

ask gibby about YOUR OWN land.:haha::haha::haha:

if you want to wheel private land it better be a hundred acres or better and stay away from the edges where neighbors can see/report you. THEY WILL.

 

[Not Jobless]

Absurd. No, thats sitting in traffic on a daily basis, thats buying worthless crap, thats sitting in front of the TV for hours, thats absorb.
What does doing the right thing, have anything to do with the outcome? Really? Yes, the planning committee can just say--close the whole area. Sure, so should we just roll over? We are going to die some day, should we just stop breathing? Thats absorb.



Interesting, you come to one meeting after a long spell and you make some nice "assumptions". That map has been shown before, along with one of the other feasibility maps and I have a complete complete of everything that committee has done. What does that mean? Not a damn thing. What are we supposed to do, look at a map and run and hide because of whats there? Thats aburb.



Impress the greenies? Interesting. Anybody with half a brain will agree that you will never impress any greenie until you are off the land for good. I don't ever recall us saying we are trying to impress the greenies, but only our selfs and the DNR.

Again, your statements are just your opinion--one with the attitude you need to just roll over and quit, put forth no effort, don't really care.

Education and enforcement are th key ingredients right now.

Maybe instead of playing grab ass outside in the parking lot you should have come over and talked to David with me.

I'm not stating my assumptions or opinions, I'm just re-capping on what David & I spoke of.

...and I'm not saying that folks shouldn't be doing anything, that's you making your typical assumptions...again. I'm saying that we should be focused on Education & Enforcement becasue they are the only two areas in regards to Reiter that are for certain as of today and the way I see it is also the two areas where you will get the biggest bang for the buck.

 

[CHOP SHOP]

You don't need pictures of people doing it. Thats the grand thing about the greenies, they just have to have the after affects. And those after affects are just as destrutive torwards us as picture of rigs on the trails.

And yes, I have seen many a SUV's going into the park itself.

Live up north, learn how to share.

do you guys think a gate is going to keep folks from wheeling that area?

 

[Not Jobless]

Odd. I recall seeing a TON of SUV's heading up past Evans--alot of greeenies going past the entrance to Evans.

But you missed my point.

I don't think anyone missed your point Mike, your just historically not very good at making them clear.

 

[Boonie Buster]

yes they would. wheeling damage travels to other land as well.

ask gibby about YOUR OWN land.:haha::haha::haha:

if you want to wheel private land it better be a hundred acres or better and stay away from the edges where neighbors can see/report you. THEY WILL.

for this example, you gotta take these factors out and ASSume that it's done without worries of tormenting the neighbors...know what i mean, but yes, those issues do happen and are valid...which sucks :looser:

 

[Boonie Buster]

How many hours does a normal work party last before you start wheeling?

 

[crash2]

Ok, you kinda answered your own question, yes they will complain...Is it a legitamate complaint, depends on what the complaint is, but it is more than likely legit.

And if I had a trail where only nice people played on it, yes, people still would complain, if it was on MY land They would not have a legitamate complaint, if it was on shared land (the greenie and I owned it) Then yes, his complaint would be legitamate as it's his area also and yes, he does have a say in what goes on. As I have a say in what goes on in the hiking community and yes, I complain about them too, they aren't perfect. Same with the motorcycles/atv's. But I have to say there are a lot of good things about each group that go on all the time, like trail repairs in ALL aspects of each sport.

It's unfortunate because my GF liked going out and exploring and wheeling, two times out to Reiter and she HATES the sport... It's amazing how easily people are turned off by the actions of others, and she's not one to be easily pushed into a train of thought like that. But you have to realize people are impressionable and they see what goes on up there, she knows of the clean-ups and such and what we (my group/croney's) does to help out to keep it clean and such. But people see what happens up there.... Usually the ones making noise are the bad ones.... so they get seen.

You kinda missed the point I was trying to make(I might have been unclear to). Look at cable trail and look at rhyno land. Which one would you think the greenies would have a hey day with? And look at both trails and how they have been maintained. My point is, if you follow the rules and maintain something, you are less likely to get complaints.

 

[crash2]

Maybe instead of playing grab ass outside in the parking lot you should have come over and talked to David with me.

I'm not stating my assumptions or opinions, I'm just re-capping on what David & I spoke of.

...and I'm not saying that folks shouldn't be doing anything, that's you making your typical assumptions...again. I'm saying that we should be focused on Education & Enforcement becasue they are the only two areas in regards to Reiter that are for certain as of today and the way I see it is also the two areas where you will get the biggest bang for the buck.

I have spent a number of hours talking with him brad, on the phone and out in the field. I have even taken "my time" to go out with him, walk and talk ideas and so forth instead of wheeling. So please don't preach to me about those things. Preach to somebody who doesn't give a rats ass, who wants to do what they want to, and so on.

Also, as stated at the meeting, we are working on the education portion, you must have missed that part too I guess.

 

[CHOP SHOP]

for this example, you gotta take these factors out and ASSume that it's done without worries of tormenting the neighbors...know what i mean, but yes, those issues do happen and are valid...which sucks :looser:

what factors? Wheelers make mud, wheelers make noise, wheelers make erosion. Even farmers have rules to follow when it comes to tearing up the land.

Driving on your land is different than wheeling on it. You still need a permit to put in a driveway just to drive on it.

 

[crash2]

How many hours does a normal work party last before you start wheeling?

It depends. we have had days we worked the whole day. But with the amount fo folks who came last time, we were able to be done by 1 and spend the rest of the day enjoying ourselfs.

 

[crash2]

I don't think anyone missed your point Mike, your just historically not very good at making them clear.

I am good at something :haha:

 

[CHOP SHOP]

You kinda missed the point I was trying to make(I might have been unclear to). Look at cable trail and look at rhyno land. Which one would you think the greenies would have a hey day with? And look at both trails and how they have been maintained. My point is, if you follow the rules and maintain something, you are less likely to get complaints.

do you honestly think that positive? both trails look like **** to them.

THEY WANT YOU GONE.

 

[Not Jobless]

I have spent a number of hours talking with him brad, on the phone and out in the field. I have even taken "my time" to go out with him, walk and talk ideas and so forth instead of wheeling. So please don't preach to me about those things. Preach to somebody who doesn't give a rats ass, who wants to do what they want to, and so on.

Also, as stated at the meeting, we are working on the education portion, you must have missed that part too I guess.

That's great that you've had all this interaction with him.

Have you ever thought of posting the contents of these dicussions for the others?

Or are you keeping everything to yourself for a reason?

 

[crash2]

do you honestly think that positive? both trails look like **** to them.

THEY WANT YOU GONE.

NO ****, damn you are a smart one :looser:

 

[crash2]

That's great that you've had all this interaction with him.

Have you ever thought of posting the contents of these dicussions for the others?

Or are you keeping everything to yourself for a reason?

Your asking me to retain conversations. ****, I can't even remember what happened yesterday.

Nothing to hide, nothing to share really that I can remember.

But I have posted tib bits on our discussions and dealings with before.

 

[CHOP SHOP]

NO ****, damn you are a smart one :looser:

For a smart guy you sure are slow sometimes.:haha:

 

[Not Jobless]

Here's the way I see it from what I learned last night.

1. Reiter will change in roughly two months when the Planning report is released.

2. Regardless of what ORV users do between now and then, it will not have an effect on the overall outcome for Reiter based on the Planning Report.

3. Efforts spent rectifying trail related issues may be just wasted efforts for the time being becasue in less than two months there may be eco-blocs across the trail head you just worked on. They have $40k to spend...it buys a lot of blocks.

4. In light of numbers 1 through 3 above, volunteer hours would best be spent on Education & Enforcement.


I am not an RTW member, nor do I support all of their activities at Reiter, but I do encourage the users of Reiter to think for themselves, ask questions, find educated answers and make up their own minds.

 

[Boonie Buster]

You kinda missed the point I was trying to make(I might have been unclear to). Look at cable trail and look at rhyno land. Which one would you think the greenies would have a hey day with? And look at both trails and how they have been maintained. My point is, if you follow the rules and maintain something, you are less likely to get complaints.

I didn't miss your point.:; I'm still saying, that SOMEONE SOMEWHERE, WILL complain. And it will always be legitimate if the subject matter is correct (erosion etc.) Doesn't matter if you follow the rules, we can already see THAT's not working.

 

[crash2]

I didn't miss your point.:; I'm still saying, that SOMEONE SOMEWHERE, WILL complain. And it will always be legitimate if the subject matter is correct (erosion etc.) Doesn't matter if you follow the rules, we can already see THAT's not working.

You are always going to have that. But there is a point to where there is in deed a difference.

 

[crash2]

Bottom line. GET INVOLVED with some form of a group. Be it going to meetings, working in the field, follow the rules, or educate yourself.