Yeah, being resourceful does help....Charlie, per the conversation we all had, it was determined an 8k would probably work, but a 10K or 12K would do the job ALOT easier, and I think the goal to raise enough $$ for these sizes is reachable..... with that said we all agreed a much larger machine would be alot more efficient, but the costs involved and the timeframe may end up negating that large of machine....Jakob, what are your thoughts based on your last post??? How are you proposing to raise that kind of $ that quickly??? We'd all like to hear your ideas...:corn: