wagnon89
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smurfy90 said:
She's knocked up now. I've heard "real house" a few times lately...
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She's knocked up now. I've heard "real house" a few times lately...
wagnon89
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hokie_yj said:Very Nice!That looks a lot like the one I planned on building before i found mine.
What kind of flooring is that in the apartment? Parts of mine still has the bare concrete floors. I've debated whether to do a floating laminate floor, or just do an acid stain on the concrete.
It's Shaw laminate I bought in Pulaski, TN at a discount warehouse. A couple rooms are painted concrete. If I had it to do over again I would have done stained or painted concrete throughout. Laminate is easy to install but it shows every speck of dust...may just be this color though
TBItoy
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hokie_yj said:Very Nice!
What kind of flooring is that in the apartment? Parts of mine still has the bare concrete floors. I've debated whether to do a floating laminate floor, or just do an acid stain on the concrete.
I painted my floors with the industrial "drive on" type paint. I wish I would have done a decorative stain now in the main living areas.
There are a couple places that the paint doesn't look to great after 5 years.
I have carpet in the bedrooms.
hokie_yj
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That's one reason I've shied away from laminate. Wood floors show a lot of dust, especially the darker colors. I hate dusting, and I don't have a maid to do it for me. Lol.
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TBItoy said:
The living room in mine had been painted a dark brown. It's scratched all to hell, and it looks horrible. I've just got a big rug covering it for now.
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wagnon89
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hokie_yj said:
I bought "concrete paint" from Sherwin Williams. I had never heard of it before. It was like $70 a gallon but I don't think a funny car burnout could leave a mark on it :****:
wagnon89
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Dwalk said:TKC INC. is running a special on Pole Barns. The rafters on these buildings are upgraded with I-beam instead of typical bar joist. If you have your own wood, roofing and siding, you can also buy just the Rafters.
Starting price on a 24'x24' with galvalume roof is $2995.00 includes: 6x6 post, painted 12" I-beam rafters, 2x6 purlins, galvalume roof panels, all bolts and screws. installation starts at $1200.00
Other sizes available 32x36, 40x60, etc..... Call/text Kris @ 256-349-7397 or Darren @ 256-702-3453
pic of display on 24x24 frame:
Wish I would have seen those trusses last year when I was building mine. I like the I-beam style.
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This is not a new build, but one I posted on Garage Journal. But one that I documented well. I thought I would pass it along.
This is the barn right before I bought the house. This is 2/26/99.
First thing was gravel, Man is was hard to roll stuff around. Jetskis were our hobby then, and it was hard to roll them around on the stands in the gravel. There was concrete in our future. You can also see there was no deck around the pool. That changes also.[/QUOTE]
The last picture will become the reused angle as the work progressed.
On 10/27/99, we have had enough of the gravel. Living on a gravel road was one thing, but not around "The Barn".
You can see we have added a deck around the pool by now. Concrete being poured.
Concrete is finished, now to January 2000. Something we don't get much of in Alabama, snow. So it had to be documented:
A view of The Barn from the back.
Already run out of room. I have an old race trailer and a storage shed beside it.
Our hobby has changed to RockCrawling Jeeps. We need more room. Tried to buy the ajoining property, but they were not willing to sell. So I decided to build around the barn. Around, as in on three sides.
On 12/5/2002, we broke ground.
Too late to turn back now!!!
You can see, we were limited on the distance we can go back, the bank is steep, and drops 60 feet to the river.
This side of the barn will have the lift, it will be a metal building.
The 6" PVC is to remove water from the original barn.
This side, towards the house, will be a "clean" garage. For the wifes Miata (Now BMW M Roadster, now 34 Ford!).
The "staple view".
More concrete!
I put strings out where I wanted the edges of the slab to be. My first mistake. The vertical in the next picture was supposed to be two feet to the right. Oh well, a larger "Race Deck" and a smaller work bench.
Footings done, concrete blocks arrive.
Ready to lay block. The block, concrete, and part of the roof were the only things I subbed out. Everything else was done my myself and friends.
Here is the other side, the "Miata Garage". It did not need footings and block, it was level enough for just a slab.
Okay, well you know what's next. Yep, more concrete!!
This is the back of the barn, called "The Tool Room".
This is the "Lift" side. You can see where the concrete had to be cut and removed to make the pad level. Did not think I was doing this when I poured concrete the first time.
Showing the drainage between the existing barn and the "Lift" building. I decided not to cut off the eve of the barn. This gives about 24" between the two buildings, and a lot of water goes here. The barn eve is guttered. After five years, it appears the water leaves the area the way it was designed.
Two pipes carrying all power to the "Lift"
The "Miata Garage" side has a down spout inside the new building. It removes water from above the green man door. Took that water off the back of the building.
Pouring the "Miata Garage".
This water spiket froze this year. Got down to 10 degrees F. Second time since it was built. This time, I made a way to remove the water from the upright. This is actually the third time this pipe has been an issue. I shot a nail through it putting up the siding too!!!!!
As you can see, it was a long day. Even longer night finishing.
We got some rain later that night while they were still here finishing. It effected the finish some, giving it a rougher texture than was planned. I ended up using paint on the floor to help smooth it out. One of those freak storms we get around here. The concrete guys worked almost till dawn getting it the best they could.
Fast forward two weeks till 12/29/00. The walls are starting to go up.
This is the "Tool Room".
Miata Garage:
This is at the end on the Miata Garage. This outside alcove houses the two 100 gallon propane tanks, the air compressor, and now has yard tools hanging on the walls. The reason for two propane tanks, is they would not set a 250 gallon within 10 feet of the barn. The side it had to go was the house side. House already has a 500 gallon tank on the other side, and the wife asked not to have another in the yard. I have learned to pick my battles, that one earned a "Yes dear".
This is the "Race Deck". This is where we sit around the gas campfire and tell stories, look out over the river. This is out a man door off the "Lift".
Back to the staple picture:
New years has past. It is now 1/3/03.
The roof is starting to go up.
The metal building is coming off the ground. Another mistake of mine, looking back on it. They were going to charge very little to erect this verses the amount of time it took me and my friends to erect. One of those hindsight 20/20 things. Looking at it on paper, just how hard could it be???? One person had done one before.
Back wall going up and man doors in place. Left door is into the "Tool Room", the right door is out to the "Race Deck".
This man door goes out to the driveway.
Miata Garage.
Roof going up on "Tool Room"
Koolaid break.
Here you can see the gap that will be left between the existing barn and the lift.
Boards going up to allow for the metal roof over the existing barn.
"Lift" rear wall and "Race Deck".
Walls and roof going up in the "Lift"
Part of the front wall is in.
Standing on the "Race Deck" look into the "Tool Room", the door to the left goes into the "Lift".
Metal is finished on the lift. The date is 1/20/03.
End wall is in the "Tool Room", the window in this end has not been cut. This is the only window in the barn.
"Tool Room". You can see the framing for the window. Right below the window will be a work bench. The one that will be about 24" shallower than planned.
Lift looking out. The roll up door is designed to be tall enough for the Jeep Rock Crawler to go in on the trailer. 10' tall.
"Miata Garage" being closed in on the side opposite the lift. Everything going on at once. What I worked on, depended on if, and how much assistance I had.
Where all the roof lines came together.
The staple picture, so it must be time to end this post. The date is 1/21/03.
The "Tool Room" has a roof.
Looking down the "Tool Room" before the gutter goes on.
After the metal went up in the "Lift", I decided to hire out the rest of the work. Took them only two days, including the guttering and trim.
The window is in the "Tool Room".
The window was reused off the front of the existing barn. A garage door will occupy the old window space.
One of the first things you have to do, even before it is finished it to move a vehicle in.
Roof finished, gutters on, all trimmed out, money well spent.
A view from the main driveway. Guess you can figure where the window came from!
Paint on the "Miata Garage". Here is the staple finish photo.
Date: 1-28-03
Shows the propane tanks tucked up behind the Miata Garage. That is also where the air compressor is.
Shelves going up on the old Barns back wall, in the Tool Room.
This is a fold out work table. Legs hinged and folded up against the wall.
Here it is down.
Metal up on the Tool Room wall on the race Deck, and new patio furniture.
Tool Room gets insulation and electrical rough in.
I did the electrical. Actually I just did was I was told by an electrician friend. He hooked up everything and ran all the wiring in the Lift, as it is in conduit.
Lighting and ceiling fans done in the Lift.
Wash sink and urinal.
The Tool Room gets pegboard wall treatment.
Miata Garage also gets pegboard walls.
And the garage doors arrive. I forgot, I also subbed the installation of these out. They worked too cheap to do it myself.
Lift door goes in.
Miata goes in its garage. You can see the downspout for the man door going through the garage on the right wall.
The date is 2-24-03.
The wall goes up blocking the view of the urinal.
Ceiling in, lights in, heat in.
Outdoor gas fire plumbed in on the Race Deck.
Floors get coated in gray.
In the old Barn, there was an office in the corner from the previous owner. It has been removed. Shelves look find of funny now they are not against the wall! The electrical panel is to be moved from the side wall to the front wall as the meter is now between the two buildings.
Also, the panel was not large enough with the new additions.
Tool Room starts getting stuff put up on the walls and shelves.
Lift gets floor paint and wood up the walls four feet to keep us from beating the walls off!! I should have insulated this building. I can keep it warm, but damn, it is so loud when it rains, you cannot work.
Another in the Tool Room
Okay, now for the front of the old Barn. The Barn doors have to go as they are in the center, making it a one car garage. Kind of like the old doors, but progress says their gone.
Garage doors are on site and ready to be installed once the openings are prepared. I had them set the garage doors above the ceiling so I could get the full 10' ceiling height.
Race Deck handrails are up.
Barn doors are down. Matter of fact, the whole front of the barn is down!!!!
The date is 3-21-03.
I bought a used lift from a friend of mine. He did the install for me.
Doors are up on the old barn.
The lift is installed:
Tools starting to be installed in the Tool Room. Drill press was too small and has since been replaced.
Air line is run. Y'all (Garage Journal) now have me rethinking my use of PVC. I have never had an issue or a leak, but I did not know the hazards of PVC till I got on this site (Garage Journal).
Stereo and TV are installed, vent free heater installed in each end of the Tool Room.
Closeup of stereo and TV.
The staple picture:
This is the end of the build. I'll get some new pictures of how the Barn is 6 years later. A lot more "stuff". A lot less room. And you can never have enough flat space (table tops) in a garage.
Well, I finally got around to taking the current pictures (2009!!!). Today is a great day in Alabama. Weather is 77 degrees or so. All the windows in the house, and all the doors in the barn are open.
The Maita Garage is first. Miata has been replaces by a BMW M Roadster (now 34 Ford).
Next we go into the original barn.
Okay, to the tool room. This is my favorite. I has so many memories for me.
The big box.
The bath area. You can see here, that most wall space is taken up somehow. The baseball glove in my first ball glove as a kid.
This is the urinal area. It is kind of creepy, but all the girls eyes are always on you, like the old Uncle Sam poster.
The watching girls.
Shelves for spray paint and caulk.
More memories. The trolling motor was my first powered vehicle. Dad turned me loose on the lake at about 5. My skateboard, don't hardly make them like that anymore!! The Peterbuilt was left by a friend that ran over my retaining wall.
Yep, you got it. My childhood sled. This is all the stuff I never wanted to throw away, but it just not appropriate for the living room wall. My grandads wooden tape and his hammer barely in the pic. Cast where I fell out of my Jeep in my driveway. Cast matches the checkered flag on the Jeep.
Steering wheels, GoPed tires, all cool stuff, at least to meeeeee.
Hand tools in plastic cases where possible, the barn computer. My wireless internet access did not reach the barn, so I looked on eBay for a long range antenna, it is aimed at the server, I now have great coverage. Using two of these antennas, they say, you can go one mile. I don't know, but works great for me.
Just fun signs.
Not a real old wagon, but great way to get your stuff to the beach. CJ7 grill I swapped out the lights in so they work on 110v.
Looking the other direction, and a good place to end.
[/QUOTE]
This is the barn right before I bought the house. This is 2/26/99.
First thing was gravel, Man is was hard to roll stuff around. Jetskis were our hobby then, and it was hard to roll them around on the stands in the gravel. There was concrete in our future. You can also see there was no deck around the pool. That changes also.[/QUOTE]
The last picture will become the reused angle as the work progressed.
On 10/27/99, we have had enough of the gravel. Living on a gravel road was one thing, but not around "The Barn".
You can see we have added a deck around the pool by now. Concrete being poured.
Concrete is finished, now to January 2000. Something we don't get much of in Alabama, snow. So it had to be documented:
A view of The Barn from the back.
Already run out of room. I have an old race trailer and a storage shed beside it.
Our hobby has changed to RockCrawling Jeeps. We need more room. Tried to buy the ajoining property, but they were not willing to sell. So I decided to build around the barn. Around, as in on three sides.
On 12/5/2002, we broke ground.
Too late to turn back now!!!
You can see, we were limited on the distance we can go back, the bank is steep, and drops 60 feet to the river.
This side of the barn will have the lift, it will be a metal building.
The 6" PVC is to remove water from the original barn.
This side, towards the house, will be a "clean" garage. For the wifes Miata (Now BMW M Roadster, now 34 Ford!).
The "staple view".
More concrete!
I put strings out where I wanted the edges of the slab to be. My first mistake. The vertical in the next picture was supposed to be two feet to the right. Oh well, a larger "Race Deck" and a smaller work bench.
Footings done, concrete blocks arrive.
Ready to lay block. The block, concrete, and part of the roof were the only things I subbed out. Everything else was done my myself and friends.
Here is the other side, the "Miata Garage". It did not need footings and block, it was level enough for just a slab.
Okay, well you know what's next. Yep, more concrete!!
This is the back of the barn, called "The Tool Room".
This is the "Lift" side. You can see where the concrete had to be cut and removed to make the pad level. Did not think I was doing this when I poured concrete the first time.
Showing the drainage between the existing barn and the "Lift" building. I decided not to cut off the eve of the barn. This gives about 24" between the two buildings, and a lot of water goes here. The barn eve is guttered. After five years, it appears the water leaves the area the way it was designed.
Two pipes carrying all power to the "Lift"
The "Miata Garage" side has a down spout inside the new building. It removes water from above the green man door. Took that water off the back of the building.
Pouring the "Miata Garage".
This water spiket froze this year. Got down to 10 degrees F. Second time since it was built. This time, I made a way to remove the water from the upright. This is actually the third time this pipe has been an issue. I shot a nail through it putting up the siding too!!!!!
As you can see, it was a long day. Even longer night finishing.
We got some rain later that night while they were still here finishing. It effected the finish some, giving it a rougher texture than was planned. I ended up using paint on the floor to help smooth it out. One of those freak storms we get around here. The concrete guys worked almost till dawn getting it the best they could.
Fast forward two weeks till 12/29/00. The walls are starting to go up.
This is the "Tool Room".
Miata Garage:
This is at the end on the Miata Garage. This outside alcove houses the two 100 gallon propane tanks, the air compressor, and now has yard tools hanging on the walls. The reason for two propane tanks, is they would not set a 250 gallon within 10 feet of the barn. The side it had to go was the house side. House already has a 500 gallon tank on the other side, and the wife asked not to have another in the yard. I have learned to pick my battles, that one earned a "Yes dear".
This is the "Race Deck". This is where we sit around the gas campfire and tell stories, look out over the river. This is out a man door off the "Lift".
Back to the staple picture:
New years has past. It is now 1/3/03.
The roof is starting to go up.
The metal building is coming off the ground. Another mistake of mine, looking back on it. They were going to charge very little to erect this verses the amount of time it took me and my friends to erect. One of those hindsight 20/20 things. Looking at it on paper, just how hard could it be???? One person had done one before.
Back wall going up and man doors in place. Left door is into the "Tool Room", the right door is out to the "Race Deck".
This man door goes out to the driveway.
Miata Garage.
Roof going up on "Tool Room"
Koolaid break.
Here you can see the gap that will be left between the existing barn and the lift.
Boards going up to allow for the metal roof over the existing barn.
"Lift" rear wall and "Race Deck".
Walls and roof going up in the "Lift"
Part of the front wall is in.
Standing on the "Race Deck" look into the "Tool Room", the door to the left goes into the "Lift".
Metal is finished on the lift. The date is 1/20/03.
End wall is in the "Tool Room", the window in this end has not been cut. This is the only window in the barn.
"Tool Room". You can see the framing for the window. Right below the window will be a work bench. The one that will be about 24" shallower than planned.
Lift looking out. The roll up door is designed to be tall enough for the Jeep Rock Crawler to go in on the trailer. 10' tall.
"Miata Garage" being closed in on the side opposite the lift. Everything going on at once. What I worked on, depended on if, and how much assistance I had.
Where all the roof lines came together.
The staple picture, so it must be time to end this post. The date is 1/21/03.
The "Tool Room" has a roof.
Looking down the "Tool Room" before the gutter goes on.
After the metal went up in the "Lift", I decided to hire out the rest of the work. Took them only two days, including the guttering and trim.
The window is in the "Tool Room".
The window was reused off the front of the existing barn. A garage door will occupy the old window space.
One of the first things you have to do, even before it is finished it to move a vehicle in.
Roof finished, gutters on, all trimmed out, money well spent.
A view from the main driveway. Guess you can figure where the window came from!
Paint on the "Miata Garage". Here is the staple finish photo.
Date: 1-28-03
Shows the propane tanks tucked up behind the Miata Garage. That is also where the air compressor is.
Shelves going up on the old Barns back wall, in the Tool Room.
This is a fold out work table. Legs hinged and folded up against the wall.
Here it is down.
Metal up on the Tool Room wall on the race Deck, and new patio furniture.
Tool Room gets insulation and electrical rough in.
I did the electrical. Actually I just did was I was told by an electrician friend. He hooked up everything and ran all the wiring in the Lift, as it is in conduit.
Lighting and ceiling fans done in the Lift.
Wash sink and urinal.
The Tool Room gets pegboard wall treatment.
Miata Garage also gets pegboard walls.
And the garage doors arrive. I forgot, I also subbed the installation of these out. They worked too cheap to do it myself.
Lift door goes in.
Miata goes in its garage. You can see the downspout for the man door going through the garage on the right wall.
The date is 2-24-03.
The wall goes up blocking the view of the urinal.
Ceiling in, lights in, heat in.
Outdoor gas fire plumbed in on the Race Deck.
Floors get coated in gray.
In the old Barn, there was an office in the corner from the previous owner. It has been removed. Shelves look find of funny now they are not against the wall! The electrical panel is to be moved from the side wall to the front wall as the meter is now between the two buildings.
Also, the panel was not large enough with the new additions.
Tool Room starts getting stuff put up on the walls and shelves.
Lift gets floor paint and wood up the walls four feet to keep us from beating the walls off!! I should have insulated this building. I can keep it warm, but damn, it is so loud when it rains, you cannot work.
Another in the Tool Room
Okay, now for the front of the old Barn. The Barn doors have to go as they are in the center, making it a one car garage. Kind of like the old doors, but progress says their gone.
Garage doors are on site and ready to be installed once the openings are prepared. I had them set the garage doors above the ceiling so I could get the full 10' ceiling height.
Race Deck handrails are up.
Barn doors are down. Matter of fact, the whole front of the barn is down!!!!
The date is 3-21-03.
I bought a used lift from a friend of mine. He did the install for me.
Doors are up on the old barn.
The lift is installed:
Tools starting to be installed in the Tool Room. Drill press was too small and has since been replaced.
Air line is run. Y'all (Garage Journal) now have me rethinking my use of PVC. I have never had an issue or a leak, but I did not know the hazards of PVC till I got on this site (Garage Journal).
Stereo and TV are installed, vent free heater installed in each end of the Tool Room.
Closeup of stereo and TV.
The staple picture:
This is the end of the build. I'll get some new pictures of how the Barn is 6 years later. A lot more "stuff". A lot less room. And you can never have enough flat space (table tops) in a garage.
Well, I finally got around to taking the current pictures (2009!!!). Today is a great day in Alabama. Weather is 77 degrees or so. All the windows in the house, and all the doors in the barn are open.
The Maita Garage is first. Miata has been replaces by a BMW M Roadster (now 34 Ford).
Next we go into the original barn.
Okay, to the tool room. This is my favorite. I has so many memories for me.
The big box.
The bath area. You can see here, that most wall space is taken up somehow. The baseball glove in my first ball glove as a kid.
This is the urinal area. It is kind of creepy, but all the girls eyes are always on you, like the old Uncle Sam poster.
The watching girls.
Shelves for spray paint and caulk.
More memories. The trolling motor was my first powered vehicle. Dad turned me loose on the lake at about 5. My skateboard, don't hardly make them like that anymore!! The Peterbuilt was left by a friend that ran over my retaining wall.
Yep, you got it. My childhood sled. This is all the stuff I never wanted to throw away, but it just not appropriate for the living room wall. My grandads wooden tape and his hammer barely in the pic. Cast where I fell out of my Jeep in my driveway. Cast matches the checkered flag on the Jeep.
Steering wheels, GoPed tires, all cool stuff, at least to meeeeee.
Hand tools in plastic cases where possible, the barn computer. My wireless internet access did not reach the barn, so I looked on eBay for a long range antenna, it is aimed at the server, I now have great coverage. Using two of these antennas, they say, you can go one mile. I don't know, but works great for me.
Just fun signs.
Not a real old wagon, but great way to get your stuff to the beach. CJ7 grill I swapped out the lights in so they work on 110v.
Looking the other direction, and a good place to end.
wagnon89 said:Found a few pics of mine. I built it last year with an apartment in it that we will live in for a couple years. It's 50'x75' with a 20' lean to and 13' side walls.
During the build
88 yards of concrete
2 12'x10' doors and 1 16'x14 door
Apartment when we were moving in
Only one I could find completed
Which building company did you get to build your building?
wagnon89
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I ordered it from Cecil Pigg in Addison, Al and did most all of the building myself.cmoultrie said:
wagnon89
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JohnG, I watched your build on Garage Journal. Awesome looking spot you got there on the side of that hill 
Bigrocks4x4
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Randys Rock Rods said:
Just got started on my new shop/house. Its a 60x90x14.
60x40 of it will be the shop, its got a 10x10 and a 12x12 door on one side, and a 12x12 on the other side to drive straight thru. Also a room with a toilet and a sink.
60x50 of it will be living quarters. 3 bedrooms, two full baths, and a game room. Outside the living area will be a walk around covered porch
Updated pic of the shop/house, so far, but still a ways to go till complete...
TBItoy
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wagnon89 said:
What pitch did you go with on your lean too/side shed.
I'm looking at adding on to mine.
Probably gonna do a lean too all the way down the side and add another 40' onto the shop.
krackem
Build-Bend-Weld-Break -Repeat
wizzo said:
TacomaJD
I LIKE CHEAP STUFF.....
JohnG just won the award for most awesome detailed shop build thread ever 
Damn nice pad John....I'm curious about the falling out of your Jeep in your driveway story... 
Damn nice pad John....I'm curious about the falling out of your Jeep in your driveway story...
krackem
Build-Bend-Weld-Break -Repeat
Also what are the hazards of PVC for airlines, curious cus a buddy of mine has that, besides over pressuring the lines and busting em ???
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Have pvc in mine works great easy to run just use sch. 40 and all will be good
John Galbreath Jr.
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krackem said:
Over time they get brittle and break in dangerous shards. Do a search on GarageJournal.com forum. I would not run them again due to GJ, but I have not removed what I put in several years ago, and have never had an issue.
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TacomaJD said:JohnG just won the award for most awesome detailed shop build thread ever
I was bush hogging the side of the driveway, got the 4x4 tractor stuck and about to roll over. Walked up to house and got the purple Jeep. Jeep parked on one side, cable across driveway to tractor. Doing this by myself. Winched the tactor to a point I needed to cross the drive and re-point the front tires. Jumping out of Jeep, caught a shoestring on a body protector at the bottom of the door. I bailed out of the Jeep with everything but one foot. Damn, hurt, alone, unmarked cable across a shared driveway, and tractor still stuck. Sent an S.O.S. to T.K., the rest is not as entertaining.
TacomaJD
I LIKE CHEAP STUFF.....
JohnG said:
Should've been wearing your LifeAlert!
I've fell out of my truck in my driveway once or twice, but I blame it on the 
