is an exo cage street legal?

[JAWS]

Its funny how things work.. Ive been pulled over for mud flaps in a stock truck!!!

Theirs a truck that drives by the shop twice a day... with a crappy wood canopy...

I would think this to be less safe than a small rock hitting a windsheild....

REDNECK PROFILEING... THATS WHAT I THINK!!!:redneck:

 

[Damnyankee]

Split rims are still legal. So I think you are on the wrong path with this.

Home made beadlocks are illegal because it is illegal to modify a wheel without having it re-certified by the DOT. All wheels are DOT certified before they are legal for street use.

They don't actually ticket the beadlock. I received a ticket on 410 out by Little Naches and the ticket was for defective wheels. I asked the LEO about this and he explained that welding to a DOT certified wheel renders it defective and no longer legal for street use.

with this you are not repairing anythign..

I thought split rims were not allowed. I know you can't find a tire shop to touch them.

 

[JAWS]

with this you are not repairing anythign..

I thought split rims were not allowed. I know you can't find a tire shop to touch them.

Thats because they are deadly to work on... And most tire shops dont have the cages anymore...

Not cuz they are not legal
they been fazzing them out for years

 

[toyodaaddict]

Its funny how things work.. Ive been pulled over for mud flaps in a stock truck!!!

Theirs a truck that drives by the shop twice a day... with a crappy wood canopy...

I would think this to be less safe than a small rock hitting a windsheild....

REDNECK PROFILEING... THATS WHAT I THINK!!!:redneck:

i think yer right about profiling. i got pulled over in greenwater. i was real friendly with the cop. the first thing he did was ask to see my weapons promit. no clue how he new i had a gun. i think he geussed. i showed him the promit and then he asks if was wearing body armer and tells me he is. what a ****, then he measures everything on the truck and tells me my bumpers are to high and to get a trailer. then let me go. this happend right before nachese closed so maybe he will forget about me by next spring. the truck i was driving was a wheeler but by no means a pos.

 

[CHOP SHOP]

The military beadlocks are a two piece design. The tire is trapped between two rim halves. If the rim halves come loose the tire looses air and is felt and the driver pulls over and starts the repair/replace procedure.

With a bead lock the tire IS NOT secured into the rim but only one bead is and the other bead is OUTSIDE the rim not captured except by the ring and bolts. If the bolts/ring fail then the tire can be ejected off the rim causing a sudden loss of control. The ring is then a projectile and the tire is gone and the vehicle is hard to bring to a controllable stop.


Now before ya tell me the military ones can still come unbolted and fail, hers the deal.

The hummer style rims are a inner rim hoop and a rim face/outer half. If the rim was to come apart it cannot escape the vehicle. The outer half is bolted on with LUGNUTS and cannot let the inner half past itself.

This means the vehicle will just act like it has a flat tire if a rim fails.

A hummer beadlock that has been recentered does not retain this safety feature.

 

[Jacob]

The military beadlocks are a two piece design. The tire is trapped between two rim halves. If the rim halves come loose the tire looses air and is felt and the driver pulls over and starts the repair/replace procedure.

With a bead lock the tire IS NOT secured into the rim but only one bead is and the other bead is OUTSIDE the rim not captured except by the ring and bolts. If the bolts/ring fail then the tire can be ejected off the rim causing a sudden loss of control. The ring is then a projectile and the tire is gone and the vehicle is hard to bring to a controllable stop.


Now before ya tell me the military ones can still come unbolted and fail, hers the deal.

The hummer style rims are a inner rim hoop and a rim face/outer half. If the rim was to come apart it cannot escape the vehicle. The outer half is bolted on with LUGNUTS and cannot let the inner half past itself.

This means the vehicle will just act like it has a flat tire if a rim fails.

A hummer beadlock that has been recentered does not retain this safety feature.

Very good explanation. :awesomework:

 

[CHOP SHOP]

Nothing wrong with Split rims at all.

The problem comes from 18 year old tire jockeys that have no skill, brains, eyes, common sense, etc.

Everyone here can use a snapring, correct? If the snapring is showing more edge on any side more than the other then it is not fully seated and ya know its going to pop off, right?

A split rim is the same. The split ring has a 3/8 inch edge that sits inside the rims groove. If ya cant see 3/8 of an inch then your either blind or stupid.

The whole 3/8 needs to be INSIDE the rim groove before ya air it up. If its not fully seated like a properly installed snapring then it WILL blow off. No surprise there.


It dont get any dumber than army infantry and vehicle guys. They can change a split rim in the dark out in the field. The army has been using them since the turn of the century.

The heavy equipment industry has been using them for decades too. I cant imagine trying to get a 24 ply, 3 inch thick loader tire stretched over a fixed beadlip.


My and my hairlip buddy Paul have mounted tons of them with no issues.

Danger like to aim at dumb folks.

 

[Damnyankee]

Nothing wrong with Split rims at all.

The problem comes from 18 year old tire jockeys that have no skill, brains, eyes, common sense, etc.

Everyone here can use a snapring, correct? If the snapring is showing more edge on any side more than the other then it is not fully seated and ya know its going to pop off, right?

A split rim is the same. The split ring has a 3/8 inch edge that sits inside the rims groove. If ya cant see 3/8 of an inch then your either blind or stupid.

The whole 3/8 needs to be INSIDE the rim groove before ya air it up. If its not fully seated like a properly installed snapring then it WILL blow off. No surprise there.


It dont get any dumber than army infantry and vehicle guys. They can change a split rim in the dark out in the field. The army has been using them since the turn of the century.

The heavy equipment industry has been using them for decades too. I cant imagine trying to get a 24 ply, 3 inch thick loader tire stretched over a fixed beadlip.

My and my hairlip buddy Paul have mounted tons of them with no issues.

Danger like to aim at dumb folks.

never change a skidder tire?

but i have to agree with all your points... damn it.

 

[CHOP SHOP]

never change a skidder tire?

but i have to agree with all your points... damn it.

Skidders pull, not lift. The skidder tire is not nay heavier than it needs to be.

Loader tires at the rock pit are meant to hold/lift/carry lots of weight and have many plys, some are even solid.

Crane tires are another very heavy rated tire with no give in the sidewalls.

 

[mark]

I thought split rims were not allowed. I know you can't find a tire shop to touch them.

Most tire shops won't even touch a tire that is more than 10 years old now. Just found that out with a practically new tire off my brothers truck that had a slow leak. Liability "in case" it might fail when they air it back up.


So I took it home, busted out the HF tire changer and the bubble soap and cleaned and re-set the outside bead. All good.


As for split rims, same thing, Liability and yes, "newer" kids don't know how to do them. Decent shops or tire shops that specialise in things other than cars no issue. I guess there are also a couple different types of "split rim", some 2-piece rims are down-right deadly if not careful, other 3-piece type (which are the more common I guess) are not as bad, but again, you need to use some common sense. Might be a little off on my info, been a couple years since I researched it. Got all my 20" split rims fixed/blasted and coated and good rubber installed.

 

[zukkev]

Most tire shops won't even touch a tire that is more than 10 years old now. Just found that out with a practically new tire off my brothers truck that had a slow leak. Liability "in case" it might fail when they air it back up.

Try 7 yrs....:awesomework:

 

[mark]

Even worce.

 

[MUDmaniac3]

I got pulled over last winter going up to the snow I had mudflaps and bumper height was legal. He pulled me over because he said that my tires were not DOT approved they are just IROKS. I told him he was wrong because i run the same set in winter on my daily driver 4runner and he looked admitted he was wrong then proceeded to say how my exo cage was dangerous because if I were to get into an accident with another vehicle they could be hurt but didn't say anything about my Rim stiffeners (rock rings) that were welded on my wheels. I told him but I'm protecting myself there are dangerous drivers out there. So he gave me a ticket:flipoff:
Went to court to fight it and they tooks some good pictures of my truck. They really don't like when you ask for a copy of the pictures haha:fawkdancesmiley:

 

[toyodaaddict]

I got pulled over last winter going up to the snow I had mudflaps and bumper height was legal. He pulled me over because he said that my tires were not DOT approved they are just IROKS. I told him he was wrong because i run the same set in winter on my daily driver 4runner and he looked admitted he was wrong then proceeded to say how my exo cage was dangerous because if I were to get into an accident with another vehicle they could be hurt but didn't say anything about my Rim stiffeners (rock rings) that were welded on my wheels. I told him but I'm protecting myself there are dangerous drivers out there. So he gave me a ticket:flipoff:
Went to court to fight it and they tooks some good pictures of my truck. They really don't like when you ask for a copy of the pictures haha:fawkdancesmiley:

did you win in court?

 

[RidgelineMotorsports]

I talked to a WSP trooper a while back, He told me that the exo's on the trucks weren't illegal, but that there was a measurement on how far they can stick out on each side. He couldn't tell me exactly, and I spent over an hour looking through the RCW online and couldn't find ****.

 

[toyodaaddict]

I talked to a WSP trooper a while back, He told me that the exo's on the trucks weren't illegal, but that there was a measurement on how far they can stick out on each side. He couldn't tell me exactly, and I spent over an hour looking through the RCW online and couldn't find ****.

the way i understood it was nothing can protrude more than 3" inches.

 

[Rcbro]

They're are more then one kind of split rim. The California style split rims are illegal here in Oregon.

It's usually not airing the tire up that is the dangerous thing about the wheels. If you are already to the point where you have the rings and tire off you know the condition of the wheel.

The danger comes from not knowing the condition of the wheel and rings when removing it from the truck and removing the core to deflate the tire.

This is usually when the rings or rim itself fail due to rust or abuse and drastically hurt a person.

Ive worked on easily 1000 of these and never had an issue. But I've heard of many stories from people being at the wrong place at the right time and having the rings break loose.

 

[MUDmaniac3]

they wouldn't drop the ticket cause I didn't have legal bumpers apperantly bumpers have to be 4 and 1/2" tall. so tube bumpers aren't considered legal. is what they told me so they dropped it from 350 to 135 and it was a forestry cop I had 3 months from the date of the ticket to go to court and 3 more months after that to pay the fine. I would rather get a ticket from them than a regular cop. They have thier own court room and only like 3 people were there. SIDE NOTE: the people who were also thier were for running stop signs and their tickets all got dropped to 35 bucks. tell me there isn't something wrong with that picture

 

[RidgelineMotorsports]

the way i understood it was nothing can protrude more than 3" inches.

That sounds right, but he had made it sound like it could stick out farther on the driver side than the passenger.. I would like to find out for sure though. If I could find the info I would print it out and keep a copy on hand for sure..